ixulescu
03-12-2021, 02:31 PM
There seems to be a lot of confusion on how to classify Balkan gypsies. Not all Balkan gypsies show Indid traits, in fact they are a minority. The examples below are Romanian gypsies, but this generalizes well to Balkan gypsies.
I'm going to start with a phenotype that shows the most Indid. This particular woman looks fully Indian, but most likely she doesn't go over 50% South Asian on K13. Gypsies looking this Indid are very rare, but more moderate amounts of Indid are visible in about 20 to 25% of the gypsies.
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/138461197_139306191242298_3828525252314789431_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=SDTu24aWQksAX9WLTvR&oh=1afb1ad5f784eab22859c2594335a61b&oe=60763DC6&ig_cache_key=MjQ4NTY5MTA4NTkyNjU4MzA2OA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/142677189_4282049505158197_4789497855569029251_n.j pg?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=hWbEbS4m6BAAX8F9nlk&oh=2f003847f1d63e4e86069cadc1720ff1&oe=60746666&ig_cache_key=MjQ5NjgwMTE4NTU1ODg1NTczOA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/151659790_251544776565832_5863960955766772574_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=ELulfKALWBkAX8mglXM&oh=58d9a2c71d36393549f4ae208a95486d&oe=6073AD20&ig_cache_key=MjUxNDEwOTI3NjQ1MzMxNDIyOA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/120741999_687932315185470_4177089208857157215_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=JCc_6UzlpC4AX8d8mJt&oh=702e09ce00d31ad43eb2942242e3aded&oe=6076AE8C&ig_cache_key=MjQxMzk0MzU5NjUwNDg2NTA5OA%3D%3D.2
The gypsy woman below falls on the average amount of Indid in the Balkans, and yet Indid is barely visible. Most traits are Middle Eastern. Romanian gypsies with similar phenos score around 25% South Asian on K13.
https://instagram.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/152488866_188410402617974_9189231582604988731_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=7U-oY_mQ378AX-rOq1V&oh=60bf29533f4d5cd36828cd1dbfad0fa4&oe=60769CBD&ig_cache_key=MjUxNTM2NDAxMTYxNjA1MTc3NA%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/138838257_494459738207108_2540994384334887272_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=SbWLDHlE0TcAX__16Fs&oh=b223c348da9eb106e480aaa8849fa7c1&oe=60733382&ig_cache_key=MjQ4NzEyMjcwNjg1OTcwODg2OA%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/125057416_415782342922750_7068711588657082611_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=icvYQquWx9MAX90n7Cu&oh=7b486313c07bb39cd6cfb11f89a154a9&oe=60749043&ig_cache_key=MjQ0MTU2ODg0MDQwODAyMTM3OA%3D%3D.2
The gypsy woman below shows no Indid traits, and can be easily confused with any kind of more exotic Balkanite. Such phenos are not exclusive to gypsies in any way. People in the Balkans, but also foreigners now, are quick to assume that such phenos are always the result of gypsy admixture, but this is not true. In Romania, most of such exotic phenos have other origins (Tatar, Turkish, Caucasian, or a mixture of them combined with lots of East Med). Such types are about a third of the gypsies in Romania, but the non-gypsy population with similar traits is 3 or 4 times as large.
https://scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/156979728_2893290047583329_4577326422462543256_n.j pg?tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=cjJeJE1RSvsAX-IMF7J&oh=c2cd9d9ff7184a9cee93630b9333dc04&oe=60769856&ig_cache_key=MjUyMjAxMTUyNzUxNTQ5OTAwNg%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/153811482_904609810273293_263462227343578647_n.jpg ?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=dSlWYZJKjMIAX-3jf7R&oh=b4220c2bd9391cb067b05c7fbad870c3&oe=60745C52&ig_cache_key=MjUyMTg2MzMwMjI4ODY2MjUyNg%3D%3D.2
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I'm going to start with a phenotype that shows the most Indid. This particular woman looks fully Indian, but most likely she doesn't go over 50% South Asian on K13. Gypsies looking this Indid are very rare, but more moderate amounts of Indid are visible in about 20 to 25% of the gypsies.
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/138461197_139306191242298_3828525252314789431_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=SDTu24aWQksAX9WLTvR&oh=1afb1ad5f784eab22859c2594335a61b&oe=60763DC6&ig_cache_key=MjQ4NTY5MTA4NTkyNjU4MzA2OA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/142677189_4282049505158197_4789497855569029251_n.j pg?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=hWbEbS4m6BAAX8F9nlk&oh=2f003847f1d63e4e86069cadc1720ff1&oe=60746666&ig_cache_key=MjQ5NjgwMTE4NTU1ODg1NTczOA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/151659790_251544776565832_5863960955766772574_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=ELulfKALWBkAX8mglXM&oh=58d9a2c71d36393549f4ae208a95486d&oe=6073AD20&ig_cache_key=MjUxNDEwOTI3NjQ1MzMxNDIyOA%3D%3D.2
https://instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/120741999_687932315185470_4177089208857157215_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=JCc_6UzlpC4AX8d8mJt&oh=702e09ce00d31ad43eb2942242e3aded&oe=6076AE8C&ig_cache_key=MjQxMzk0MzU5NjUwNDg2NTA5OA%3D%3D.2
The gypsy woman below falls on the average amount of Indid in the Balkans, and yet Indid is barely visible. Most traits are Middle Eastern. Romanian gypsies with similar phenos score around 25% South Asian on K13.
https://instagram.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/152488866_188410402617974_9189231582604988731_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=7U-oY_mQ378AX-rOq1V&oh=60bf29533f4d5cd36828cd1dbfad0fa4&oe=60769CBD&ig_cache_key=MjUxNTM2NDAxMTYxNjA1MTc3NA%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/138838257_494459738207108_2540994384334887272_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=SbWLDHlE0TcAX__16Fs&oh=b223c348da9eb106e480aaa8849fa7c1&oe=60733382&ig_cache_key=MjQ4NzEyMjcwNjg1OTcwODg2OA%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/125057416_415782342922750_7068711588657082611_n.jp g?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=icvYQquWx9MAX90n7Cu&oh=7b486313c07bb39cd6cfb11f89a154a9&oe=60749043&ig_cache_key=MjQ0MTU2ODg0MDQwODAyMTM3OA%3D%3D.2
The gypsy woman below shows no Indid traits, and can be easily confused with any kind of more exotic Balkanite. Such phenos are not exclusive to gypsies in any way. People in the Balkans, but also foreigners now, are quick to assume that such phenos are always the result of gypsy admixture, but this is not true. In Romania, most of such exotic phenos have other origins (Tatar, Turkish, Caucasian, or a mixture of them combined with lots of East Med). Such types are about a third of the gypsies in Romania, but the non-gypsy population with similar traits is 3 or 4 times as large.
https://scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/156979728_2893290047583329_4577326422462543256_n.j pg?tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=cjJeJE1RSvsAX-IMF7J&oh=c2cd9d9ff7184a9cee93630b9333dc04&oe=60769856&ig_cache_key=MjUyMjAxMTUyNzUxNTQ5OTAwNg%3D%3D.2
https://scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/153811482_904609810273293_263462227343578647_n.jpg ?se=7&tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-waw1-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=dSlWYZJKjMIAX-3jf7R&oh=b4220c2bd9391cb067b05c7fbad870c3&oe=60745C52&ig_cache_key=MjUyMTg2MzMwMjI4ODY2MjUyNg%3D%3D.2
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