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Avicenna
06-02-2021, 08:06 PM
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Dr_Maul
06-02-2021, 08:09 PM
Almost all within Iranid and related spectrums, couple individuals have Turanic influences or South Asian

reboun
06-02-2021, 08:18 PM
In Irano-Afghan, Pamirid, Armenoid, Indo-Afghan range.

Avicenna
06-02-2021, 08:44 PM
In Irano-Afghan, Pamirid, Armenoid, Indo-Afghan range.

Could they pass in turkey?

Hektor12
06-02-2021, 08:47 PM
https://i.ibb.co/Yb99Tth/Screenshot-20210602-194334.jpgProbably Turkic origin, i see some similarities with me.

Avicenna
06-02-2021, 09:04 PM
Probably Turkic origin, i see some similarities with me.

Yes I think his mother is afghan Uzbek

reboun
06-02-2021, 11:56 PM
Could they pass in turkey?

I guess about half of them would pass in Turkey.

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 12:27 AM
I guess about half of them would pass in Turkey.

Hmm , I thought more would pass , I counted about 17

Tooting Carmen
06-03-2021, 01:04 AM
Like a Persian-Pakistani-Central Asian mix.

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 01:13 AM
Like a Persian-Pakistani-Central Asian mix.

You are just saying that because I labeled them as afghans . I barely see any Persian / Pakistani mix .

I would say number 5 is the closest to Pakistani and even then he looks more iranic . Number 8 looks north african. I honestly don't see the others passing in Pakistan . For Iran I would say 21, 18 and 15 have the best chance of passing .

reboun
06-03-2021, 01:14 AM
Hmm , I thought more would pass , I counted about 17

Yes, you are right actually. Except for 8, 13, 15, all of them might pass.

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 01:26 AM
Yes, you are right actually. Except for 8, 13, 15, all of them might pass.

These two don't pass ? Really ?

https://i.ibb.co/g9pfcM0/Profi-Traum-13-jaehriger-Afghane-dribbelt-sich-in-die-Herzen-reference-4-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/DWyvjDB)
https://i.ibb.co/zRfgmgd/Soheil-Arghandewall-2019-2020-c54e95ef33c7.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/4ZdHv5j/551722.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Demis
06-03-2021, 07:43 AM
Could they pass in turkey?

1. Pass (but more so in East/North-East)
2. Doesn’t pass
3. As atypical
4. Smthing about him. Can you post other photos?
5. No
6. No
7. Yes, but not typical
8. No
9. Yes
10. 11. Rather atypical. Again, their facial structures are odd.
12. No
13. In his second photo, yes. But in the other two, no.
14. Yes
15. No.
16. Yes
17. Yes
18. No
19. No
20. No (maybe as atypical, looks light Afghan/Kurd)
21. No

14, 1, and 9 do pass relatively well compared to others, I think.

Demis
06-03-2021, 07:55 AM
These two don't pass ? Really ?

https://i.ibb.co/g9pfcM0/Profi-Traum-13-jaehriger-Afghane-dribbelt-sich-in-die-Herzen-reference-4-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/DWyvjDB)
https://i.ibb.co/zRfgmgd/Soheil-Arghandewall-2019-2020-c54e95ef33c7.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/4ZdHv5j/551722.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Nope. I would have guessed the first guy as an Arab or a Gypsy. The second one looks foreign too.

Zoro
06-03-2021, 10:24 AM
Generally overlapping phenotypes from Kurdistan to Afghanistan. No 5 has Kurdistan flag. Is he Kurd?

Among Iranics As a group best association Afghan Tajiks. Second best Kurds, followed by Azeris and other ethnicities within Iran, but generally assumed local from Kurdistan to W. Pakistan

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 10:36 AM
Generally overlapping phenotypes from Kurdistan to Afghanistan. No 5 has Kurdistan flag. Is he Kurd?

Among Iranics As a group best association Afghan Tajiks. Second best Kurds, followed by Azeris and other ethnicities within Iran, but generally assumed local from Kurdistan to W. Pakistan

No he plays for Dalkurd football team based in Sweden . Can he pass as Kurd.? He is quite dark I reckon but his features are not . Hmm, I genuinely think Persians have more affinity with their immediate neighbiurs like azeris than afghan tajiks , although I could be wrong .

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 10:37 AM
Nope. I would have guessed the first guy as an Arab or a Gypsy. The second one looks foreign too.

Second one looks Balkanite to me you are right

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 10:43 AM
1. Pass (but more so in East/North-East)
2. Doesn’t pass
3. As atypical
4. Smthing about him. Can you post other photos?
5. No
6. No
7. Yes, but not typical
8. No
9. Yes
10. 11. Rather atypical. Again, their facial structures are odd.
12. No
13. In his second photo, yes. But in the other two, no.
14. Yes
15. No.
16. Yes
17. Yes
18. No
19. No
20. No (maybe as atypical, looks light Afghan/Kurd)
21. No

14, 1, and 9 do pass relatively well compared to others, I think.

I am actually surprised you say this guy doesn't pass since I see tons of turks like him

https://i.ibb.co/LCgnQFK/imago0042196539w.jpg (https://ibb.co/8jx6zCk)
https://i.ibb.co/F5VfdBc/Zy-AZ5d-Zn-Z0t1nafztxv-Hn7-Iw-D2-Txn-IQ0-RXv-GE2mw.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
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reboun
06-03-2021, 10:44 AM
These two don't pass ? Really ?



He might pass. I really don’t know why I said 15 cannot pass, maybe because I was very sleepy ;)

Except for 8, I wouldn’t assume that they are not Turkish, just based on their photos.

Edit: 13 might also pass.

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 11:03 AM
He might pass. I really don’t know why I said 15 cannot pass, maybe because I was very sleepy ;)

Except for 8, I wouldn’t assume that they are not Turkish, just based on their photos.

Edit: 13 might also pass.

More pics of 15

https://i.ibb.co/vxpRcbr/Screenshot-20210603-105021.jpg (https://ibb.co/bgTD6xy)
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https://i.ibb.co/QmQ57Tr/regular-16-9-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/PCjSsPw)

Zoro
06-03-2021, 11:07 AM
No he plays for Dalkurd football team based in Sweden . Can he pass as Kurd.? He is quite dark I reckon but his features are not . Hmm, I genuinely think Persians have more affinity with their immediate neighbiurs like azeris than afghan tajiks , although I could be wrong .

Yes his pigmentation is average for Kurds in some parts of Iraq. Why do they have the Kurdistan flag?

Yeah overall as a group better pass as Azeri than Persians

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 11:11 AM
Yes his pigmentation is average for Kurds in some parts of Iraq. Why do they have the Kurdistan flag?

Yeah overall as a group better pass as Azeri than Persians

The team is a professional football team playing in the second tier of Swedish football, it was founded by diapsora Kurds from Sweden .

Demis
06-03-2021, 11:54 AM
More pics of 15

https://i.ibb.co/vxpRcbr/Screenshot-20210603-105021.jpg (https://ibb.co/bgTD6xy)
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https://i.ibb.co/QmQ57Tr/regular-16-9-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/PCjSsPw)

My mistake: I would have taken the 12 as an Arab or as a Gypsy. He doesn’t pass here at all.
That guy above passes, even though his East Med is more typical in Caucasus (Dinaro-Med is my classification for him). Eastern Turkey - Georgia - Northern Caucasus is the best fit for him. He might get mistaken for an Easterner/Kurd, though (especially in places like Thrace, NW Anatolia, and the Western Black Sea region)

Avicenna
06-03-2021, 12:08 PM
My mistake: I would have taken the 12 as an Arab or as a Gypsy. He doesn’t pass here at all.
That guy above passes, even though his East Med is more typical in Caucasus (Dinaro-Med is my classification for him). Eastern Turkey - Georgia - Northern Caucasus is the best fit for him. He might get mistaken for an Easterner/Kurd, though (especially in places like Thrace, NW Anatolia, and the Western Black Sea region)

Thank you for your contribution but Demis my kardash, this is just bs

To think this guy looks gypsy if he was walking in Ankara is bizzarre since I've seen many ethnic Turks darker than him .

https://i.ibb.co/LCgnQFK/imago0042196539w.jpg (https://ibb.co/8jx6zCk)
https://i.ibb.co/F5VfdBc/Zy-AZ5d-Zn-Z0t1nafztxv-Hn7-Iw-D2-Txn-IQ0-RXv-GE2mw.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

If you would have said number 8 as gypsy or Arab I would totally agree with you, so it's not the fact that I am biased or insulted . I genuinely believe this you doesn't look gyspy.

Demis
06-03-2021, 07:30 PM
Thank you for your contribution, but Demis my kardash, this is just bs

To think this guy looks gypsy if he was walking in Ankara is bizzarre since I've seen many ethnic Turks darker than him .

https://i.ibb.co/LCgnQFK/imago0042196539w.jpg (https://ibb.co/8jx6zCk)
https://i.ibb.co/F5VfdBc/Zy-AZ5d-Zn-Z0t1nafztxv-Hn7-Iw-D2-Txn-IQ0-RXv-GE2mw.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

If you would have said number 8 as gypsy or Arab I would totally agree with you, so it's not the fact that I am biased or insulted . I genuinely believe this you don't look gyspy.

With all due respect, Avicenna, but I am not biased towards you or your people at all. Biassed persons would equal those people to Indians or Saudis.

Also, no, pigmentation alone doesn’t define the phenotype. The reason why I said he doesn’t pass is not because of his pigmentation, but his facial features are exotic/foreign to me. It also doesn’t matter if there are swarthier Turks than him exists - those individuals still look Turkish most of the time. Hande Erçel is much more typical than Yusuf Yazıcı, and Aras Bulut İynemli looks far more Turkish than people like H.P. Lovecraft or Henry Cavill.

That doesn’t mean I agree there are many (at least a ton of) ethnic Turks much darker than him that exist, though - and your Ankara example is a weak one because at least %20 of the population in there is from the South-Eastern region of the country.