Classify these very Spanish looking people from Logrono Spain

[Oliver109]

A very Spanish lot, only about 2 pass in the UK, 5 are dark in the European sense and only one shows obvious alpinisation thoughts?
https://ceipduquesa.larioja.edu.es/images/proyectos/educacion_responsable/RULER_MARZO_2017.jpg

[Arūnas]

AL-Andalus they pass best for the rest of their lives

[Cristiano viejo]

All pass in UK.

[Oliver109]

All pass in UK.

Because so many have migrated here, if you live somewhere you pass there.

[Xacal]

Atlanto-Meds, Baskids and Alpine-Meds

[Cristiano viejo]

Because so many have migrated here, if you live somewhere you pass there.

All of them pass as British natives.

[Tooting Carmen]

Gracile Med land.

[Immanenz]

rather Baskid ( Dinaric-Atlanto) and alpinized Med forms

[Lozano]

These three could pass as mixed-race latin americans in the light spectrum. The rest look what I would imagine for iberia, except for the brown woman top left. All of them uglies btw

https://i.ibb.co/1KGBqgw/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss3.png
https://i.ibb.co/PzRNWGQ/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss2.png
https://i.ibb.co/nkkHVtg/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss.png

[Cristiano viejo]

These three could pass as mixed-race latin americans in the light spectrum.

Cool story.

[Arūnas]

that map shows, they pass best in Bashkortostan:
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/haplogroup-r1b-m269.jpg?x59466

[mitalit]

Just a man as a teacher? This is intolerable, the equality ministry should do something.

[Cristiano viejo]

Just a man as a teacher? This is intolerable, the equality ministry should do something.

LEL, he will be lucky if the minister does not ban him :laugh:

[Tannhauser]

They can pass in SNC(Sicilian Night Clubs).

[Cristiano viejo]

They can pass in SNC(Sicilian Night Clubs).

That is an insult and a lie.

[Lozano]

Cool story.

I am not joking, they can pass. Nothing wrong with it

[Arūnas]

the truth hurts somebody here

[Cristiano viejo]

I am not joking, they can pass. Nothing wrong with it

But not like mixed people, as you said.

[Arūnas]

LEL, he will be lucky if the minister does not ban him :laugh:

shi....t Sean taught you to write that word, please confirm that

[RMuller]

But not like mixed people, as you said.



These three could pass as mixed-race latin americans in the light spectrum. The rest look what I would imagine for iberia, except for the brown woman top left. All of them uglies btw

https://i.ibb.co/1KGBqgw/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss3.png
https://i.ibb.co/PzRNWGQ/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss2.png
https://i.ibb.co/nkkHVtg/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss.png



I have posted harnizas with dna results and picture's that look lighter than the 3 Spanish women Lozano posted who said pass as light skin mixed latinas.



Mexican-American

http://i.imgur.com/kx2Dn5c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wFzoihy.png





Mexican-American

http://i.imgur.com/sTUmjn0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rShn7L8.png





Mexican-American

http://i.imgur.com/CBEcIkA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jvRLCjH.png



this one passes somewere in Europe


From Mexico City

http://i.imgur.com/Uf8wy42.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wyyfjk2.png



She passes somewere in europe


Mexican-American

http://i.imgur.com/oHPujdd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lqhijYv.png

[Avicenna]

Which two do you think passes in UK.olivier ? I don't think any pass but I could be mistaken ?

[Oliver109]

Which two do you think passes in UK.olivier ? I don't think any pass but I could be mistaken ?

Woman on top row at the far right of page, woman with the "karen" haircut on the left of the page, maybe the woman on the front with the yellow scarf too.

[Grogu]

i was looking at them very closely. Many pass in Italy as well perfectly... perfect iberians, whites. My only issue is with the one on the bottom right, one top second right, and one all the way on the top left. Possible non-European influence, maybe Moor, maybe gypsy... but italians sometimes have those imposters too. The rest are good to go!

[Avicenna]

Woman on top row at the far right of page, woman with the "karen" haircut on the left of the page, maybe the woman on the front with the yellow scarf too.

Only one in the top left , the others can't see it if I'm honest .

[Token]

Classic Mediterraneans.

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Why yes spanish people look spanish, such an inmense discovery

[Cristiano viejo]

Why yes spanish people look spanish, such an inmense discovery

It is that retard Oliverio, who always is comparing Spanish with British.

[PhenotypeMaster]

Pan European looking.

[kevinmac]

All of them would not pass in europe. Most would, but a few are too exotic. Maybe Sicily.

[Ruggery]

All of them pass as British natives.
All of them would pass in Denmark as natives100% real , not fake. :thumb001:

[Ruggery]

Outside of the jokes they are mostly atlanto med, alpine, baskid, and some berids, around 7 or 8 would pass as dark british and 2 as normal british, in groups it is obvious that they look foreigners.

[Vasilisk]

Some of them would pass in Greece easily

[Gota_type_]

Logroño was part of the old baskid área and a good amount of people there have basque surnames and seeing their faces you can imagine that some of them really are baskid or part baskid, and baskid are know for being dark haired although lighter skinned, since Logroño is more sunny than the basque región, I guess some of them are just tanned. Probably closer individual pics are better to check how they look like or what their classification is.

[Grogu]

Logroño was part of the old baskid área and a good amount of people there have basque surnames and seeing their faces you can imagine that some of them really are baskid or part baskid, and baskid are know for being dark haired although lighter skinned, since Logroño is more sunny than the basque región, I guess some of them are just tanned. Probably closer individual pics are better to check how they look like or what their classification is.

it's weird... as if u look at the iron age basques -your ancestors- they all must of had blue eyes, other light colors, pale skin, and light hair like true Iberians... Either way, I think a lot of the true Iberians are still present in Iberia you just gotta look for the nobility.

[Cristiano viejo]

All of them would pass in Denmark as natives100% real , not fake. :thumb001:
In Denmark quite less of them. In UK all of them.


I think a lot of the true Iberians are still present in Iberia you just gotta look for the nobility.

:picard1:

[Amador]

These three could pass as mixed-race latin americans in the light spectrum. The rest look what I would imagine for iberia, except for the brown woman top left. All of them uglies btw

https://i.ibb.co/1KGBqgw/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss3.png
https://i.ibb.co/PzRNWGQ/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss2.png
https://i.ibb.co/nkkHVtg/kasdnkljdnsladnlsdmdssss.png

What about the one from the bottom far left? (the one with dark hair), i think many people would think she is amerindian influenced.

Though judging by the souce of the photo i find it quite difficult that any of those people is a latin american immigrant

[Oliver109]

What about the one from the bottom far left? (the one with dark hair), i think many people would think she is amerindian influenced.

Though judging by the souce of the photo i find it quite difficult that any of those people is a latin american immigrant

No, she is Alpine, big difference, she looks completely European.

[Grace O'Malley]

All pass in UK.

Aren't you always saying how ugly people from the UK are? This is a very Spanish looking group and are obviously not from the UK. Why would you be promoting that?

[Diego Garcia]

AL-Andalus they pass best for the rest of their lives

LOL

[Diego Garcia]

A very Spanish lot, only about 2 pass in the UK, 5 are dark in the European sense and only one shows obvious alpinisation thoughts?
https://ceipduquesa.larioja.edu.es/images/proyectos/educacion_responsable/RULER_MARZO_2017.jpg


All of them pass in Spain.

You can find similar groups of people throughout all Spain, not only in Logroño, actually.

[Diego Garcia]

Because so many have migrated here, if you live somewhere you pass there.


Not that many as English people here, Oliver....

[Diego Garcia]

Atlanto-Meds, Baskids and Alpine-Meds

In short, Spaniards.

[Diego Garcia]

All of them pass as British natives.


No, please. Thanks God, they're spanish natives.

[Diego Garcia]

Just a man as a teacher? This is intolerable, the equality ministry should do something.


Illegal, illegit and extremely provocative, yes....

Unheard of.

Hard to understand how the Ministery of Igual-Da didn't have done anything....

[Diego Garcia]

They can pass in SNC(Sicilian Night Clubs).


Yeah, or in any third-rate pulperia or in any turk harem

[Diego Garcia]

All of them would pass in Denmark as natives100% real , not fake. :thumb001:


And in Bergen, Norway, and Reijkiavik, Iceland. :rotfl:

[Avicenna]

Only one in the top left , the others can't see it if I'm honest .

I was meant to say top RIGHT

[Ruggery]

Aren't you always saying how ugly people from the UK are? This is a very Spanish looking group and are obviously not from the UK. Why would you be promoting that?

It is because he contradicts himself.
What CV said is that everyone would pass easily, it is like saying that this group of irish would pass easily in Spain.
http://stmarysmallow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/St.%20Marys%20Mallow%20U16%20basketball%20team%202 013-14%20640x455.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

It is because he contradicts himself.
What CV said is that everyone would pass easily, it is like saying that this group of irish would pass easily in Spain.

Individually all of them pass, and yes, easily.

[Grace O'Malley]

It is because he contradicts himself.
What CV said is that everyone would pass easily, it is like saying that this group of irish would pass easily in Spain.
http://stmarysmallow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/St.%20Marys%20Mallow%20U16%20basketball%20team%202 013-14%20640x455.jpg

They are so Irish looking that I would guess them correctly if they were posted. :) They are from Mallow, Co Cork.

[alnortedelsur]

It is because he contradicts himself.
What CV said is that everyone would pass easily, it is like saying that this group of irish would pass easily in Spain.
http://stmarysmallow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/St.%20Marys%20Mallow%20U16%20basketball%20team%202 013-14%20640x455.jpg

I am in Madrid, Spain right now, and I have seen plenty of Spanish girls with similar coloring as those Irish girls, including blondish hair, here in Madrid and back in Barcelona and Mallorca, where I was few days ago. They aren't tourist but Spaniards, and I know it because I heard them talking in Spanish, with very Spanish accents, and I even could perceive they were Spaniards from miles away. Hey! I have even seen plenty of times, groups of 7 or 8 Spanish girls, all of them very lightish, like those Irish girls. So, go and figure how common as fuck they are.

Most of the Irish girls in your picture wouldn't stand out individually in a crowd of Spaniards. Is just that as group you see something off in their faces, but that's it.

Seriously, cut already with the BS.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am in Madrid, Spain right now, and I have seen plenty of Spanish girls with similar coloring as those Irish girls, including blondish hair, here in Madrid and back in Barcelona and Mallorca, where I was few days ago. They aren't tourist but Spaniards, and I know it because I heard them talking in Spanish, with very Spanish accents, and I even could perceive they were Spaniards from miles away. Hey! I have even seen plenty of times, groups of 7 or 8 Spanish girls, all of them very lightish, like those Irish girls. So, go and figure how common as fuck they are.

Most of the Irish girls in your picture wouldn't stand out individually in a crowd of Spaniards. Is just that as group you see something off in their faces, but that's it.

Seriously, cut already with the BS.

They are very Irish looking. The colouring is only one factor but the facial features are very Irish. As a group they look even different than the English so it would be odd if they look like normal Spanish. They don't look Belgian or Dutch for example.

[alnortedelsur]

They are very Irish looking. The colouring is only one factor but the facial features are very Irish. As a group they look even different than the English so it would be odd if they look like normal Spanish. They don't look Belgian or Dutch for example.

I didn't say they look Spanish. I just said that many of them, individually, wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb, if they were individually surrounded by a crowd of Spanish girls. That's not the same as saying that they look Spanish. I didn't say that.

[Oliver109]

I am in Madrid, Spain right now, and I have seen plenty of Spanish girls with similar coloring as those Irish girls, including blondish hair, here in Madrid and back in Barcelona and Mallorca, where I was few days ago. They aren't tourist but Spaniards, and I know it because I heard them talking in Spanish, with very Spanish accents, and I even could perceive they were Spaniards from miles away. Hey! I have even seen plenty of times, groups of 7 or 8 Spanish girls, all of them very lightish, like those Irish girls. So, go and figure how common as fuck they are.

Most of the Irish girls in your picture wouldn't stand out individually in a crowd of Spaniards. Is just that as group you see something off in their faces, but that's it.

Seriously, cut already with the BS.

I know that Brunns, Nordics etc exist in Spain but they are not common, as for seeing a group that is as light as them, impossible, maybe 2 or 3 but no more than that, pale people are rare in Spain and form a very small minority of 5<% or so. of those girls above 6 of them would be atypical, the rest extremely atypical.

[alnortedelsur]

I know that Brunns, Nordics etc exist in Spain but they are not common, as for seeing a group that is as light as them, impossible, maybe 2 or 3 but no more than that, pale people are rare in Spain and form a very small minority of 5<% or so. of those girls above 6 of them would be atypical, the rest extremely atypical.

I am in Spain and I know what I talk about. Keep it up with your delusional comments. And yeah, with your experience riding on A donkey in the Portuguese countryside :rolleyes:

[Grace O'Malley]

I am in Spain and I know what I talk about. Keep it up with your delusional comments. And yeah, with your experience riding on A donkey in the Portuguese countryside :rolleyes:

They don't look Scandinavian either. Not with combination of facial features and that extreme paleness of skin some of them have. The group looks obviously Irish. Nothing to get upset about. If they came to Australia as a group they would stand out. :thumb001:

[alnortedelsur]

I know that Brunns, Nordics etc exist in Spain but they are not common, as for seeing a group that is as light as them, impossible, maybe 2 or 3 but no more than that, pale people are rare in Spain and form a very small minority of 5<% or so. of those girls above 6 of them would be atypical, the rest extremely atypical.

BTW, I see lightish Spanish girls who don't look darkies compared to those Irish girls in almost every corner.

Less than 5% he says, lmao :lmao

[Oliver109]

I am in Spain and I know what I talk about. Keep it up with your delusional comments. And yeah, with your experience riding on A donkey in the Portuguese countryside :rolleyes:

Well they pass better in Spain than in Portugal, there are some really Irish looking people in Spain but they are still rare and like 1 in 100 at best.

[Oliver109]

BTW, I see lightish Spanish girls who don't look darkies compared to those Irish girls in almost every corner.

Less than 5% he says, lmao :lmao

They tend to look more like this: https://c.stocksy.com/a/lhT900/z9/2259141.jpg
They dont usually look that pale and have more of a golden tan, still white mind

[Diego Garcia]

They tend to look more like this: https://c.stocksy.com/a/lhT900/z9/2259141.jpg
They dont usually look that pale and have more of a golden tan, still white mind


You say you half-spaniard, but every time you let here a BS like this, I think more and more you're lying about that.

[alnortedelsur]

They tend to look more like this: https://c.stocksy.com/a/lhT900/z9/2259141.jpg
They dont usually look that pale and have more of a golden tan, still white mind

http://imgur.com/a/Y48J4gI

Not tourists. Spanish like jamon Serrano. I heard them talking in Spanish with very Spanish accent. Their manners, their behavior. I knew they were Spanish from miles away.

Tons and tons of Spanish girls with similar looks in almost every corner.

You are welcome :thumb001:

PS please don't quote.

[Halvard]

Wtf, why would you take pictures of random pale Spanish girls you find on the streets lol. That seems kinda creepy.

[alnortedelsur]

Well they pass better in Spain than in Portugal, there are some really Irish looking people in Spain but they are still rare and like 1 in 100 at best.

Almost no difference in pigmentation and looks between Spaniards and Portuguese. You obviously don't what you're talking about.

And I just talk about not standing out, not about looking Irish. Stop twisting my words

[Gallop]

Start the thread with: classify this group of Spaniards and then end up creating a fiction that must exist only in your mind.

[Diego Garcia]

Wtf, why would you take pictures of random pale Spanish girls you find on the streets lol. That seems kinda creepy.

LOL

[Diego Garcia]

This Oliver is a very deranged guy... or whatever. He's shown it by far so long.

I just read him to laugh from time to time, actually.

And I am being absolutely honest with this, Ollie. Word.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAmb4dVJAmU

[Diego Garcia]

Hey Ollie, boy. No offense, okay? ;)

[alnortedelsur]

Quoted.

It doesn't matter. I'm going to delete the pics from imgur. I know those random girls would get upset if they know somebody posted a pic of them in a forum like this. I just gonna wait Oliver see the pics to shot up his mouth before I delete them.

[Diego Garcia]

It doesn't matter. I'm going to delete the pics from imgur. I know those random girls would get upset if they know somebody posted a pic of them in a forum like this. I just gonna wait Oliver see the pics to shot up his mouth before I delete them.


And do you really believe that the side-effects of his chronic medication against his derangement will permit him to see them accurately?

I trully think it's a time-wasting...


https://media.tenor.com/images/6fad16aefa163891e8e579f2a8f86892/tenor.gif

[Ruggery]

I am in Madrid, Spain right now, and I have seen plenty of Spanish girls with similar coloring as those Irish girls, including blondish hair, here in Madrid and back in Barcelona and Mallorca, where I was few days ago. They aren't tourist but Spaniards, and I know it because I heard them talking in Spanish, with very Spanish accents, and I even could perceive they were Spaniards from miles away. Hey! I have even seen plenty of times, groups of 7 or 8 Spanish girls, all of them very lightish, like those Irish girls. So, go and figure how common as fuck they are.


Seriously, cut already with the BS.
Anorte, as an individual if it is possible to find girls like that, but that milk-white skin tone is not very common in Spain, because it exists as in all euro countries but it is not the norm, and the facial characteristics are a bit rare,but not impossible to find either, what I said is that if I saw those girls in groups I would suspect that they are foreigners.



Not tourists. Spanish like jamon Serrano. I heard them talking in Spanish with very Spanish accent. Their manners, their behavior. I knew they were Spanish from miles away.

Tons and tons of Spanish girls with similar looks in almost every corner.

You are welcome :thumb001:

PS please don't quote.

The girls in the first photo are not so pale, I would say that their skin tone is the norm, the girl in the second photo is.

But brother WTF, I know that you do not do it with bad intentions or anything like that, but I recommend that you do not abuse taking many photos of random girls in the street and because out of respect for them, none of them would like someone who a stranger will approach them to take photos of them without realizing it and they upload them to the internet, God knows where, also this practice is something that many psychopaths or perverts usually do, so I do not recommend that you do it a lot.

[Oliver109]

Almost no difference in pigmentation and looks between Spaniards and Portuguese. You obviously don't what you're talking about.

And I just talk about not standing out, not about looking Irish. Stop twisting my words

Pigmentation is more or less the same but Spain seems to have more really Nordid types, in Portugal their facial features will usually be less CM influenced, unreduced paleolithic survivors are even rarer there. Some of the lighter Spanish footballers posted have been very impressively nordid, not so much for the Portuguese players.

[Ruggery]

Pigmentation is more or less the same but Spain seems to have more really Nordid types, in Portugal their facial features will usually be less CM influenced, unreduced paleolithic survivors are even rarer there. Some of the lighter Spanish footballers posted have been very impressively nordid, not so much for the Portuguese players.

You can check the types of blondes in Spain in this thread.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346266-Compilation-of-Spanish-blondes

[Davystayn]

[QUOTE=Cristiano viejo;7224924]In Denmark quite less of them. In UK all of them.

They pass in London where native people are in a minority.

They don't all pass in UK, you have no idea.
Your anglophobia is quite amusing, but unfortunate, I have always liked Spain and even cheered when Morata scored as well

[caviezel]

I'm yet to understand if Portuguese are darker or are the same as Spaniards in skin color. I asked this question a few times and I had people thowing hissy fits like I was being offensive when I was justing inquiring with no real second intent. Spaniards are not really different from French or North-Central Italians skin color-wise at least in the Northern half of the country.

[Gallop]

My brother was on vacation in Portugal and he says they are different, I see the few I have met as totally within Europe in every way, in fact I have never had the slightest doubt.

[Grace O'Malley]

What is interesting here is some people think all populations are interchangeable. I don't and think there are noticeable differences even among neighbouring populations. There is overlap of course but it is so obvious in groups that populations do have differences and they should because they have genetic differences as well as environmental. What is the reason why people want a population to look like another?

Neighbouring populations will have the most overlap but Europeans are not all the same and Spanish people don't look like British or Irish people on average. Now that I've said this if someone comes along and starts saying British people or such and such are ugly I'll take that as sour grapes. :)

What is the reason to completely ignore differences and want an ethnicity to look like another? I've most probably set the cat among the pigeons with that but it is fascinating why some people want this. Regarding the Irish for example they are a more isolated population and from genetics they are only close to other Northwestern Europeans genetic wise. You can see this looking at any available calculator like G25 or Gedmatch. Some populations are more core so will be closer to a lot more populations.

Anyone want to attempt to answer this? I'll be interested if there are any responses. I don't think there should be any insults either. People should be able to discuss these sort of questions on a board like this without losing their cool or getting insulted by people.

[Gondor]

90% of brits look brit and brit only, very few other humans can resemble brits, even for white americans (that are mostly Germanic) is rare. People that deny that are blind or stupid.

[Cristiano viejo]

They pass in London where native people are in a minority.

They don't all pass in UK, you have no idea.
Your anglophobia is quite amusing, but unfortunate, I have always liked Spain and even cheered when Morata scored as well
If Robert Carlyle, who is British, passes in UK, and obviously if one is British he/she has to pass yes or yes, then all of these Spaniards also do. FACT.

You cheered for Spain because your Croatophobia, admit!


My brother was on vacation in Portugal and he says they are different, I see the few I have met as totally within Europe in every way, in fact I have never had the slightest doubt.

I said the same and some users wanted to crucified me.

[Cristiano viejo]

They pass in London where native people are in a minority.

They don't all pass in UK, you have no idea.
Your anglophobia is quite amusing, but unfortunate, I have always liked Spain and even cheered when Morata scored as well
If Robert Carlyle, who is British, passes in UK, and obviously if one is British he/she has to pass yes or yes, then all of these Spaniards also do. FACT.

You cheered for Spain because your Croatophobia, admit!


My brother was on vacation in Portugal and he says they are different, I see the few I have met as totally within Europe in every way, in fact I have never had the slightest doubt.

I said the same and some users wanted to crucified me.

[Diego Garcia]

Pigmentation is more or less the same but Spain seems to have more really Nordid types, in Portugal their facial features will usually be less CM influenced, unreduced paleolithic survivors are even rarer there. Some of the lighter Spanish footballers posted have been very impressively nordid, not so much for the Portuguese players.

LOL

[Oliver109]

What is interesting here is some people think all populations are interchangeable. I don't and think there are noticeable differences even among neighbouring populations. There is overlap of course but it is so obvious in groups that populations do have differences and they should because they have genetic differences as well as environmental. What is the reason why people want a population to look like another?

Neighbouring populations will have the most overlap but Europeans are not all the same and Spanish people don't look like British or Irish people on average. Now that I've said this if someone comes along and starts saying British people or such and such are ugly I'll take that as sour grapes. :)

What is the reason to completely ignore differences and want an ethnicity to look like another? I've most probably set the cat among the pigeons with that but it is fascinating why some people want this. Regarding the Irish for example they are a more isolated population and from genetics they are only close to other Northwestern Europeans genetic wise. You can see this looking at any available calculator like G25 or Gedmatch. Some populations are more core so will be closer to a lot more populations.

Anyone want to attempt to answer this? I'll be interested if there are any responses. I don't think there should be any insults either. People should be able to discuss these sort of questions on a board like this without losing their cool or getting insulted by people.

You are right, the Spaniards have very different facial features that means they stick out when in other countries especially in the north, i for example have distinct enough facial features despite my relatively light pigmentation for people to recognise me as foreign or at least part foreign in Britain, i am OK with that as it is what i am but a Spaniard will usually stick out in the UK.

[Rafael Passoni]

These Greeks are light skined and no one claimed they can pass in UK as a group. I think it's more about facial features.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297886-Classify-these-Greek-people-and-state-where-they-can-pass-the-best
But I have noticed there are a lot of Spaniards and Portuguese that look NW Euro. Unfortunately I cant post some of my coleagues pics here. But I'll let some famous people that I think has a NW Euro look:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1f1599e3905bc35a6ccb90b40c894273
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-27b007c5d1b32cddef77001b7a01e377

[Grace O'Malley]

These Greeks are light skined and no one claimed they can pass in UK as a group. I think it's more about facial features.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?297886-Classify-these-Greek-people-and-state-where-they-can-pass-the-best
But I have noticed there are a lot of Spaniards and Portuguese that look NW Euro. Unfortunately I cant post some of my coleagues pics here. But I'll let some famous people that I think has a NW Euro look:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1f1599e3905bc35a6ccb90b40c894273
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-27b007c5d1b32cddef77001b7a01e377

I'm not talking of picking one or two people who people think are more ambiguous but people in general. The average people who make up the majority which is why I would post group pictures of ordinary people. There are obvious differences and it is easy to see. The people posted at the beginning of this thread do not look British which is why I asked CV why he said they did because he is always very derogatory about British. What is that about? Why do Spanish apparently look British instead of Belgian or Northern French or Swiss?

Any population you can pick one or two people that are not the norm but if you post group pictures you can see the difference. Nothing wrong with that and it is what you would expect. You don't expect every European ethnicity to be carbon copies of each other and the Spanish are not genetically close to British and are even less close to Irish so you don't expect them to look like either.

[Daco Celtic]

All pass in UK.

https://i.imgur.com/5zhLYIT.gif

[Cristiano viejo]

I asked CV why he said they did because he is always very derogatory about British. What is that about? Why do Spanish apparently look British instead of Belgian or Northern French or Swiss?


It is the way to troll Oliverio the Mongrel.

[kevinmac]

A mix of Med-Dinaric with a little bit of mongaloid

[Grace O'Malley]

It is the way to troll Oliverio the Mongrel.

:thumb001: I don't know the background to that so I don't know why some of you are a bit mean to him. I can't imagine what sin he made? :p

[FroZzenMind]

In Denmark quite less of them. In UK all of them.



:picard1:

Cornwall and walles especially, right?

[Autrigón]

A very Spanish lot, only about 2 pass in the UK, 5 are dark in the European sense and only one shows obvious alpinisation thoughts?
https://ceipduquesa.larioja.edu.es/images/proyectos/educacion_responsable/RULER_MARZO_2017.jpgWhy do they have to pass in UK?? Why not in Greece, Croatia, France, Austria or Serbia??

I don't understand that obsession of associating the UK with Spain.

Anyway nowadays take a picture of a random group of people in Spain and say that all of them are natives it's a bit risky. Taking in consideration that Spain is full of Romanians, Russians, Bulgarians, Argentinians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Ecuadorians, Moroccans, black Africans...

As an example, two weeks ago I did a course and of twenty pupils just me and another girl were spaniards.

[Grace O'Malley]

Why do they have to pass in UK?? Why not in Greece, Croatia, France, Austria or Serbia??

I don't understand that obsession of associating the UK with Spain.

Anyway nowadays take a picture of a random group of people in Spain and say that all of them are natives it's a bit risky. Taking in consideration that Spain is full of Romanians, Russians, Bulgarians, Argentinians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Ecuadorians, Moroccans, black Africans...

As an example, two weeks ago I did a course and of twenty pupils just me and another girl were spaniards.

Same in most countries now. It is why I stick to GAA where you can get the names and they aren't exactly popular with non-natives. There are some very good Spanish programs now on steaming services. Must be a boon for Spanish actors. I've really enjoyed them. I really enjoyed The Mess You Leave Behind. The setting was Galicia so nice and overcast and wet.

[Oliver109]

Why do they have to pass in UK?? Why not in Greece, Croatia, France, Austria or Serbia??

I don't understand that obsession of associating the UK with Spain.

Anyway nowadays take a picture of a random group of people in Spain and say that all of them are natives it's a bit risky. Taking in consideration that Spain is full of Romanians, Russians, Bulgarians, Argentinians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Ecuadorians, Moroccans, black Africans...

As an example, two weeks ago I did a course and of twenty pupils just me and another girl were spaniards.

Because Britain is regarded as being very close to Spain, Atlantic facade and all that, less so for Sweden or Lithuania. These all appear to be middle class Spaniards, i specifically chose a very rural town in Spain for that reason, the same sort of town in rural Britain would be 95% of British or Irish origin so i cannot see why that would not be 90% or more Spanish in Spain.

[Autrigón]

Same in most countries now. It is why I stick to GAA where you can get the names and they aren't exactly popular with non-natives. There are some very good Spanish programs now on steaming services. Must be a boon for Spanish actors. I've really enjoyed them. I really enjoyed The Mess You Leave Behind. The setting was Galicia so nice and overcast and wet.Do you watch it in original version with subtitles?

[Grace O'Malley]

Do you watch it in original version with subtitles?

The ones I've watched have all been dubbed. I don't mind watching things with subtitles but Netflix usually dubs everything. I've never seen so many Spanish programs. There is obviously a good industry there to make so many of these programs.

[Autrigón]

Because Britain is regarded as being very close to Spain, Atlantic facade and all that, less so for Sweden or Lithuania. These all appear to be middle class Spaniards, i specifically chose a very rural town in Spain for that reason, the same sort of town in rural Britain would be 95% of British or Irish origin so i cannot see why that would not be 90% or more Spanish in Spain.Logroño is not so rural, its a middle size town but the region (Rioja) where is located Logroño is famous because of its wines and most of the rural work is usually done by foreigners. In fact rural areas are sufering a process of depopulation of natives, spanish birth rate is very low. In some decades rural areas will be populated mostly by foreigners.

Well nothern Spain recieved groups of britons who were escaping of the Anglo-Saxon invasion with the fall of the Roman Empire and southern Spain recieved some english merchants who "hispanished" their surnames during the XIX century, apart from that I can't find more correlation.
obviously I don't count the english-spanish mix of recent times of wich you are a good example :p

[Cristiano viejo]

Why do they have to pass in UK?? Why not in Greece, Croatia, France, Austria or Serbia??

I don't understand that obsession of associating the UK with Spain.

Oliverio lives obsessed with Spain and relates us all the time with British.
Then they say Spaniards talk about the Atlantic Facade jijiji it is super funny ;)

[Damião de Góis]

:thumb001: I don't know the background to that so I don't know why some of you are a bit mean to him. I can't imagine what sin he made? :p

I think the portuguese and spanish members like foreign experts on their countries as much as you like foreign experts on Ireland. And he is a self-proclaimed expert, comments on everything but doesn't get anything right.

[caviezel]

British and Irish are seen as the benchmark for white people, that's why everybody wants to be associated with them.

[Oliver109]

I think the portuguese and spanish members like foreign experts on their countries as much as you like foreign experts on Ireland. And he is a self-proclaimed expert, comments on everything but doesn't get anything right.

I am not Irish by one bit but comment on Ireland all the time and at least half the time Grace appreciates what i have to say about her lovely country, I think G O' Malley appreciates comments on Ireland from foreigners more than the fully Iberian members appreciate comments on their countries.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I'm yet to understand if Portuguese are darker or are the same as Spaniards in skin color. I asked this question a few times and I had people thowing hissy fits like I was being offensive when I was justing inquiring with no real second intent. Spaniards are not really different from French or North-Central Italians skin color-wise at least in the Northern half of the country.

There is not a direct comparative study between the pigmentation of the two populations. What I can tell you is that a scientific study from a few years back compared the pigmentation of skin, hair and eyes between relatively large samples of males and females (university students) from 4 european cities - Dublin, Warsaw, Rome and Porto.

The Porto sample came out with lighter pigmentation average than the Rome sample for skin and hair, and darker for eye color.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048294
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sandra-Beleza-2/publication/232766758/figure/fig10/AS:341540527460375@1458441015599/Skin-hair-and-eye-pigmentation-by-sex-and-country.png

[Grace O'Malley]

I am not Irish by one bit but comment on Ireland all the time and at least half the time Grace appreciates what i have to say about her lovely country, I think G O' Malley appreciates comments on Ireland from foreigners more than the fully Iberian members appreciate comments on their countries.

I don't mind people commenting but as Damião de Góis said some people who have never set foot in a country will argue about populations. They make out they are experts on many countries due to old studies and things they have read online and will argue with someone who has first hand knowledge. You get accused of bias if what you say doesn't fit their perceptions of what a population should be like when they have no first hand experience. You can look at people on line and get some idea but it's not the same as actually spending time in a country. People can get a general idea about populations though especially if they have an interest but no one is an expert on populations that they have only seen on a computer screen. :)

People should post group pictures from different areas preferably with links if possible.

[Anglo-Celtic]

I don't mind people commenting but as Damião de Góis said some people who have never set foot in a country will argue about populations. They make out they are experts on many countries due to old studies and things they have read online and will argue with someone who has first hand knowledge. You get accused of bias if what you say doesn't fit their perceptions of what a population should be like when they have no first hand experience. You can look at people on line and get some idea but it's not the same as actually spending time in a country. People can get a general idea about populations though especially if they have an interest but no one is an expert on populations that they have only seen on a computer screen. :)

People should post group pictures from different areas preferably with links if possible.

That's a fair point. I encounter the same kind of thing, and it's not limited to anthropology discussion boards. Foreign people, almost always English, lose their "stuff" if I claim that Irish people settled in the frontier or the mountains before the Great Famine, and they had an impact on song and dance. They pull out a few token studies, that they repeatedly use under varied YouTube clips, to "prove me wrong", even if I descend from some of those people.

It's become a pet peeve (like calling Generation X people Baby Boomers LOL). It's like there's a group of them who bark and growl at folks who mention any kind of "Celtic" influences on early American culture. I even highly complimented very real English impacts on my country that were vital to our development as a nation. Yet, they refuse to credit any "Celtic" contributions, and, I know this sounds crazy, but it seems orchestrated because they *always* appear under certain kinds of clips with the same talking points.

[Rafael Passoni]

I think even living in a country it's difficult to have a good idea about distant cities. We usualy can speak properly about our city. But I think everyone could do some contribution. It's cool read the comments.

[Super Mario]

Mostly meds and uglioids.

[Grace O'Malley]

That's a fair point. I encounter the same kind of thing, and it's not limited to anthropology discussion boards. Foreign people, almost always English, lose their "stuff" if I claim that Irish people settled in the frontier or the mountains before the Great Famine, and they had an impact on song and dance. They pull out a few token studies, that they repeatedly use under varied YouTube clips, to "prove me wrong", even if I descend from some of those people.

It's become a pet peeve (like calling Generation X people Baby Boomers LOL). It's like there's a group of them who bark and growl at folks who mention any kind of "Celtic" influences on early American culture. I even highly complimented very real English impacts on my country that were vital to our development as a nation. Yet, they refuse to credit any "Celtic" contributions, and, I know this sounds crazy, but it seems orchestrated because they *always* appear under certain kinds of clips with the same talking points.

I've come across some strange Americans on this forum. No offence meant to the vast majority of Americans who are lovely. Some insisted that the Irish were slaves and also that they weren't considered white. Something that is easily researched and if people had ancestry from Irish it is something they could have checked. Very bizarre to me as I'd never come across that only on this forum. As if Irish newspapers wouldn't be full of that stuff even today if it was the case. Some people don't even know their own history. I don't understand that?

Regarding the Irish going to the US I do know the vast majority did go during the Famine and after but yes there was always Irish in the US even in the very early years.


Irish-Catholic immigrants came to America during colonial times, too. For example, Charles Carroll immigrated to America in 1706. His grandson, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, signed his name to the Declaration of Independence.

Between 1820 and 1860, the Irish constituted over one third of all immigrants to the United States. In the 1840s, they comprised nearly half of all immigrants to this nation. Interestingly, pre-famine immigrants from Ireland were predominately male, while in the famine years and their aftermath, entire families left the country. In later years, the majority of Irish immigrants were women.


https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/irish/irish-catholic-immigration-to-america/

Apologies as this thread has gone a bit off track. :)

[Tooting Carmen]

There is not a direct comparative study between the pigmentation of the two populations. What I can tell you is that a scientific study from a few years back compared the pigmentation of skin, hair and eyes between relatively large samples of males and females (university students) from 4 european cities - Dublin, Warsaw, Rome and Porto.

The Porto sample came out with lighter pigmentation average than the Rome sample for skin and hair, and darker for eye color.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048294
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sandra-Beleza-2/publication/232766758/figure/fig10/AS:341540527460375@1458441015599/Skin-hair-and-eye-pigmentation-by-sex-and-country.png

Irish aren't lighter than Poles (nor are any other British Isles group, for that matter).

[Halvard]

Irish aren't lighter than Poles (nor are any other British Isles group, for that matter).

Yes they are, they are lighter in skin colour and eye colour.

[Petalpusher]

In my experience, Portugueses in France are pale/greyish, not rosy pale like some in the isles and Irish but still pale metrically (maybe because they don't get as much sun exposure here). On the other hand Poles here are about the same paleness but with a slight yellowish/bronze tone. Im pretty sure N.Italians would come out equal or lighter skin than Poles too. Compared to UK it's not even a question.

This study is using a spectrometer on unexposed parts of the skin (under the arms). Can't get much better than this for real datas.

[Mortimer]

Individually they all can pass in austria as dark but as group they lack some more really light nordid people and they look southern european but european and they are white

[Halvard]

This study is using a spectrometer on unexposed parts of the skin (under the arms). Can't get much better than this for real datas.

Who cares, I'd rather trust Tooting Carmen over actual scientific studies

[Sebastianus Rex]

Irish aren't lighter than Poles (nor are any other British Isles group, for that matter).

You are obviously wrong, that is a scientific study using state of the art equipment, in all regards the Irish sample came out lighter than the Polish one, particularly large gap regarding skin pigmentation. But this is even visible to the naked eye, skin wise the Irish are as light as they come, more so than scandos etc ( who usually tan well), I have this very clear perception because I live in a touristic area near the beach and I can observe many groups of tourists from lots of places.

Regarding eastern European populations from my experience they are not lighter than Iberians if we judge the unexposed skin parts (in hair and eyes yes, but not natural unexposed skin), I have several eastern European friends who live here (mostly from Ukraine) and I'm lighter skinned than all of them, the study also confirm the Porto sample as slightly lighter skinned than the Warsaw sample. Talking about averages ofc.

[Cristiano viejo]

British and Irish are seen as the benchmark for white people, that's why everybody wants to be associated with them.
Speak for yourself, Terrone.

[caviezel]

There is not a direct comparative study between the pigmentation of the two populations. What I can tell you is that a scientific study from a few years back compared the pigmentation of skin, hair and eyes between relatively large samples of males and females (university students) from 4 european cities - Dublin, Warsaw, Rome and Porto.

The Porto sample came out with lighter pigmentation average than the Rome sample for skin and hair, and darker for eye color.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048294
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sandra-Beleza-2/publication/232766758/figure/fig10/AS:341540527460375@1458441015599/Skin-hair-and-eye-pigmentation-by-sex-and-country.png I remember that study, the italian male sample is lighter than the polish female sample, hard to believe for me and makes me question the study.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I remember that study, the italian male sample is lighter than the polish female sample, hard to believe for me and makes me question the study.

Now you know that if you find a Polish wife your children will be skin wise swarthier than you.xD