Classify four former African-American talk show hosts

[Tooting Carmen]

Oprah Winfrey
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Montel Williams
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tvdatabase/images/c/ca/Montel_Williams.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120802165025https://www.nickiswift.com/img/gallery/inside-montel-williams-life-today/l-intro-1606169851.jpg

Rolonda Watts
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Rolonda_Watts.jpghttps://static.wikia.nocookie.net/westwing/images/6/61/RolondaWatts.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090401014731

Tempesst Bledsoe
https://vz.cnwimg.com/thumb-1200x/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GettyImages-159210825-1-e1617313475531.jpghttps://static.wikia.nocookie.net/thecosbyshoww/images/6/65/Tempestt_Bledsoe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121229031618

[Mixdguy17]

Mostly Griffes in varied degrees, except Rolonda which must around the Mullatta range. Idk, I am not too good with SSA phenos either.

[Tooting Carmen]

Mostly Griffes, except Rolonda which must around the Mullatta range.

How does Rolonda look more Euro-admixed than the other three?

[Mixdguy17]

How does Rolonda look more Euro-admixed than the other three?

I looked more pictures of her and she looked more so, tempest must be 60s range, but montiel and Oprah look griffe to me.

Either way dont pay too much attention to me, I am not too good with SSA phenos.

[Tooting Carmen]

I looked more pictures of her and she looked more so, tempest must be 60s range, but montiel and Oprah look griffe to me.

Either way dont pay too much attention to me, I am not too good with SSA phenos.

Your classifications are OK. Do they look similar to Afro-Venezuelans in your opinion?

[Mixdguy17]

Your classifications are OK. Do they look similar to Afro-Venezuelans in your opinion?

Thanks!

To me they look very American, but thats probably bcs I am biased and bcs of style. Realistically they most likely pass with no problem. Rolonda looks the most off to me, most likely bcs her european input is some kind of nordid, but she can still realistically pass as well.

These is how Afro Venezuelans look, they are very familiar faces to me.

https://www.vtv.gob.ve/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Movimiento-Social-Afrovenezolano.jpg
https://www.saberesafricanos.net/images/Venezolanos-y-afrodescendientes.jpg
https://conadecafro.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/69312369_1156802607848969_5586054282156703744_o.jp g?w=960
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FMLJ8_Ckrms/XSyF_ybI82I/AAAAAAAABWM/ONAnHCwlcEMvl1hJgHBsfJQgNFzolLfRgCLcBGAs/s1600/image%25281%2529.png
http://albaciudad.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Afrodescendiente-racismo-Defensor%C3%ADa-1024x683.jpg
https://manoalzada.pe/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/afro2.jpg
http://albaciudad.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Afrovenezolanidad.jpg
https://www.telesurtv.net/__export/1522959304226/sites/telesur/img/multimedia/2018/04/05/afromaduro_x2x.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Thanks!

To me they look very American, but thats probably bcs I am biased and bcs of style. Realistically they most likely pass with no problem. Rolonda looks the most off to me, most likely bcs her european input is some kind of nordid, but she can still realistically pass as well.

These is how Afro Venezuelans look, they are very familiar faces to me.

https://www.vtv.gob.ve/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Movimiento-Social-Afrovenezolano.jpg
https://www.saberesafricanos.net/images/Venezolanos-y-afrodescendientes.jpg
https://conadecafro.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/69312369_1156802607848969_5586054282156703744_o.jp g?w=960
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FMLJ8_Ckrms/XSyF_ybI82I/AAAAAAAABWM/ONAnHCwlcEMvl1hJgHBsfJQgNFzolLfRgCLcBGAs/s1600/image%25281%2529.png
http://albaciudad.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Afrodescendiente-racismo-Defensor%C3%ADa-1024x683.jpg
https://manoalzada.pe/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/afro2.jpg
http://albaciudad.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Afrovenezolanidad.jpg
https://www.telesurtv.net/__export/1522959304226/sites/telesur/img/multimedia/2018/04/05/afromaduro_x2x.jpg

It's funny because I thought Afro-Venezuelans generally looked lighter and more Euro-mixed than these. These look practically on par with Chocoanos and are blacker than both Dominicans and Caribbean Colombians.

[Mixdguy17]

Double

[Mixdguy17]

It's funny because I thought Afro-Venezuelans generally looked lighter and more Euro-mixed than these. These look practically on par with Chocoanos and are blacker than both Dominicans and Caribbean Colombians.

Nahhh, I mean theres a huge variety as well, and Mulattos and triracials are also very present, but the griffes venezuleans look usually very much like the ones I posted I would believe, these faces are not rare at all to me tbh, the last man is superrr typical, to my eye, u can see a guy like that on the street of Caracas.

[Andullero]

The first ones look your run-of-the-milla griffe, while Bledsoe looks to have more Euro ancestry than the rest (probably 30-35%).

[Tooting Carmen]

Nahhh, I mean theres a huge variety as well, and Mulattos and triracials are also very present, but the griffes venezuleans look usually very much like the ones I posted I would believe, these faces are not rare at all to me tbh, the last man is superrr typical, to my eye, u can see a guy like that on the street of Caracas.

Well the few Afro-Venezuelan women I've met had had a kind of Diana Ross vibe, but OK.:)

[Mixdguy17]

Well the few Afro-Venezuelan women I've met had had a kind of Diana Ross vibe, but OK.:)

Oh well yeahh that would be pretty common too. Its a very diverse country If I am honest so theres many phenotypes.

[Tooting Carmen]

Oh well yeahh that would be pretty common too. Its a very diverse country If I am honest so theres many phenotypes.

If it weren't for the bad politics and bad wealth divisions (the two often go hand-in-hand), then Venezuela and Colombia would both put those annoying United Colors of Benetton adverts to shame.:)

[Mixdguy17]

If it weren't for the bad politics and bad wealth divisions (the two often go hand-in-hand), then Venezuela and Colombia would both put those annoying United Colors of Benetton adverts to shame.:)

100%

[axel.aleman]

If it weren't for the bad politics and bad wealth divisions (the two often go hand-in-hand), then Venezuela and Colombia would both put those annoying United Colors of Benetton adverts to shame.:)

Que no te escuchen samario y alnortedelsur, y es la primera vez que estoy de acuerdo contigo Tooting Carmen

[axel.aleman]

Pueden ser todos griffes aunque las dos ultimas con mas mezcla caucasica que se reflejan en rasgos mas suaves(Watts) o tez mas clara(Bledsoe)
Acuerdense que la genetica anglo es mas poderosa que la mediterranea

[aherne]

Negro + English mixes: the white element is very obviously English-like. Griffe

[Tooting Carmen]

The first ones look your run-of-the-milla griffe, while Bledsoe looks to have more Euro ancestry than the rest (probably 30-35%).

Would you agree that Bledsoe has the most pseudo-Hispanic Caribbean look?

[Andullero]

Would you agree that Bledsoe has the most pseudo-Hispanic Caribbean look?

For sure, she can blend without a hitch.

[Tooting Carmen]

For sure, she can blend without a hitch.

How well would the other three pass though?

[Andullero]

How well would the other three pass though?

Hit or miss, but the man has better chances to not get bothered than Oprah and the other lady. With afram tourists here it is usually the women which are the easiest to pick out.

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Tooting Carmen]

https://manoalzada.pe/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/afro2.jpg

The guy on the right of these Afro-Venezuelans is the doppelganger for St Lucian-born writer Trix Worrell! xD

[Tooting Carmen]

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