Classify Turk from Greece

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https://burasibatitrakya.com/images/articles/0f30fc81075959a0d90613a4922bcb41.jpg
https://gundemgazetesi.com/resimler/kucuk/ab_kucuk.jpg

turanid + dinarid pontid?

[Batavia]

https://burasibatitrakya.com/images/articles/0f30fc81075959a0d90613a4922bcb41.jpg
https://gundemgazetesi.com/resimler/kucuk/ab_kucuk.jpg

turanid + dinarid pontid?

I think you´re right.
Looks a little bit japanese :lmao

[Voskos]

Bulgarian look, if you disregard the Turanid he would have passed in Greek Macedonia easily though.

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Bulgarian look, if you disregard the Turanid he would have passed in Greek Macedonia easily though.

I think he looks Turkish than anything else. I don't know he can pass as Bulgarian, his phenotype resembles mine a bit and I think I cannot pass in Balkans as anything other than Turkish.

[Voskos]

I think he looks Turkish than anything else. I don't know he can pass as Bulgarian, his phenotype resembles mine a bit and I think I cannot pass in Balkans as anything other than Turkish.

Gruevski, Slavomacedonian/Bulgarian of Greece
https://www.sobranie.mk/WBStorage/Articles/ACA64C750784FE4984DA2455309B3644.jpg

[Italicus]

https://burasibatitrakya.com/images/articles/0f30fc81075959a0d90613a4922bcb41.jpg
https://gundemgazetesi.com/resimler/kucuk/ab_kucuk.jpg

turanid + dinarid pontid?

Wow, he looks quite mongoloid for a Balkan Turk, they're like 5% mongoloid on average. Is he from the Rhodopes by any chance? According to Kaspias there and Kardzhali have the highest mongoloid for Balkan Turks.

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Wow, he looks quite mongoloid for a Balkan Turk, they're like 5% mongoloid on average. Is he from the Rhodopes by any chance? According to Kaspias there and Kardzhali have the highest mongoloid for Balkan Turks.

Yeah probably he's from Rhodopes, their average 9% EE as far as I know that's why I'm not surprised his mongoloid looking. But DNA and phenotype accuracy is really interesting. Not always compatible. I'm probably much less mongoloid than he is but I have the same mongoloid looking level.

I think our appearance is influenced by the appearance of our ancestors. I don't know how scientific what I'm saying is, but for example, a French with a Tatar ancestor can look like a Tatar after generations, even if his DNA doesn't match.

[Italicus]

Yeah probably he's from Rhodopes, their average 9% EE as far as I know that's why I'm not surprised his mongoloid looking. But DNA and phenotype accuracy is really interesting. Not always compatible. I'm probably much less mongoloid than he is but I have the same mongoloid looking level.

I think our appearance is influenced by the appearance of our ancestors. I don't know how scientific what I'm saying is, but for example, a French with a Tatar ancestor can look like a Tatar after generations, even if his DNA doesn't match.

I agree, phenotype inheritance is finicky. I am more mongoloid than he is but I show no trace on my phenotype. And I bet you have at least 9 percent East Eurasian because you are an Anatolian Turk who in general have more mongoloid than Balkan Turks. Have you done a Gedmatch test?

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I agree, phenotype inheritance is finicky. I am more mongoloid than he is but I show no trace on my phenotype. And I bet you have at least 9 percent East Eurasian because you are an Anatolian Turk who in general have more mongoloid than Balkan Turks. Have you done a Gedmatch test?

Not yet unfortunately.

Nope I'm mostly Meskhetian Turk (from Caucasus, Southwest Georgia) and Georgian and only 1/4 Anatolian Turk from Northwest (with some Balkan Turk from Greece) I think I can be at most 5% mongoloid.

[Italicus]

Not yet unfortunately.

Nope I'm mostly Meskhetian Turk (from Caucasus, Southwest Georgia) and Georgian and only 1/4 Anatolian Turk from Northwest (with some Balkan Turk from Greece) I think I can be at most 5% mongoloid.

Ironic that I'm 5 times as mongoloid than you but I speak an Indo European language and you are much less and you speak a Turkic language. Interesting in a weird way. Anyway as far as classification goes I'd say he's Pontid Med with Turanid.

[Kaspias]

Wow, he looks quite mongoloid for a Balkan Turk, they're like 5% mongoloid on average. Is he from the Rhodopes by any chance? According to Kaspias there and Kardzhali have the highest mongoloid for Balkan Turks.

Yes, he is from the mountainsides of Rhodopes where Turkic admixture peaks among Balkan Turks. The first result below is exactly from his village, and the rest are from his neighboring village.

https://i.ibb.co/8X2Txfq/bt.png

Phenotypically couldn't be more typical for that specific region.

[Italicus]

Not yet unfortunately.

Nope I'm mostly Meskhetian Turk (from Caucasus, Southwest Georgia) and Georgian and only 1/4 Anatolian Turk from Northwest (with some Balkan Turk from Greece) I think I can be at most 5% mongoloid.

Oh btw you should change your ancestry on your profile, a bit misleading LOL

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Oh btw you should change your ancestry on your profile, a bit misleading LOL

I'm mostly from Transcaucasia but also 1/4 Anatolian Turk that's why I wrote like that but yeah you're right.

I'm very mixed lol

[Italicus]

Yes, he is from the mountainsides of Rhodopes where Turkic admixture peaks among Balkan Turks. The first result below is exactly from his village, and the rest are from his neighboring village.

https://i.ibb.co/8X2Txfq/bt.png

Phenotypically couldn't be more typical for that specific region.

Wow, it's quite heterogeneous for a small region! Not at all like Szekelys. Russians and Finns are heterogeneous in mongoloid due to differing regional admixture over a larger area. I wonder why it's like that. Also how much North Atlantic and Baltic do Rhodopes and Momchilgrad Turks get on a Eurogenes k13 run?

[Thracian]

I agree, phenotype inheritance is finicky. I am more mongoloid than he is but I show no trace on my phenotype. And I bet you have at least 9 percent East Eurasian because you are an Anatolian Turk who in general have more mongoloid than Balkan Turks. Have you done a Gedmatch test?

About Mongoloid DNA, except some individuals there is no big difference with Anatolian and Balkan Turks. We more or less score same.

[Kaspias]

Wow, it's quite heterogeneous for a small region! Not at all like Szekelys. Russians and Finns are heterogeneous in mongoloid due to differing regional admixture over a larger area. I wonder why it's like that. Also how much North Atlantic and Baltic do Rhodopes and Momchilgrad Turks get on a Eurogenes k13 run?

Half of the kits from the region, were picked randomly

https://i.ibb.co/w0R6Qcb/Ads-z.png

[Italicus]

About Mongoloid DNA, except some individuals there is no big difference with Anatolian and Balkan Turks. We more or less score same.

I don't want to be contrary, but that is generally not true. There are SOME Balkan Turks that get 9% Mongoloid, but they are not as common as Balkan Turks that are more or less 5%. And in West Anatolia the average is 11 to 12 percent, with the Aegean coast scoring 15 to 16%, with some areas having 17 to 18%. East Anatolia I'd say is a tiny bit more than Balkan Turks.

[Italicus]

Half of the kits from the region, were picked randomly

https://i.ibb.co/w0R6Qcb/Ads-z.png

Thanks, very interesting!

[Thracian]

I don't want to be contrary, but that is generally not true. There are SOME Balkan Turks that get 9% Mongoloid, but they are not as common as Balkan Turks that are more or less 5%. And in West Anatolia the average is 11 to 12 percent, with the Aegean coast scoring 15 to 16%, with some areas having 17 to 18%. East Anatolia I'd say is a tiny bit more than Balkan Turks.

As far as I know, some of those cities have only one or two sample such as Canakkale. Maybe Kaspias knows better and he has some data about that.

[Italicus]

As far as I know, some of those cities have only one or two sample such as Canakkale. Maybe Kaspias knows better and he has some data about that.

I have seen a mongoloid ancestry map of Turkey, and it is Canakkale, Sakarya, Mugla and Giresun that get the highest mongoloid at 17 to 18 percent. Heres a couple of maps

https://www.turkishnews.com/tr/content/2021/03/10/turk-dnasi/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/8q1axm/a_very_incomplete_east_asian_genetic_admixture/

[Kaspias]

I don't want to be contrary, but that is generally not true. There are SOME Balkan Turks that get 9% Mongoloid, but they are not as common as Balkan Turks that are more or less 5%. And in West Anatolia the average is 11 to 12 percent, with the Aegean coast scoring 15 to 16%, with some areas having 17 to 18%. East Anatolia I'd say is a tiny bit more than Balkan Turks.

In fact, a great portion of Balkan Turks score between 5% and 7%. However, seeing someone with 3% is typical as much as someone with 9%. The actual outliers in terms of Balkan Turks are some Macedonian Turks who score lesser than 2.5% and their number is around 10 in a sample size around 250. Also, there are the ones who score more than 10% and all are from Rhodopes except for one from Deliorman, and their number is also around 10. A general average including all subgroups would be between 6% and 6.5%.

In terms of averages, Western, Southern, and Northern(except NE) Anatolian Turks would be more Turkic than the Balkan Turks. Balkan Turks tend to score similar to Central Anatolian Turks, and more than Eastern Anatolian Turks. With a more detailed view, one might presume that Macedonian Turks are similar to the Eastern Anatolian Turks, and Deliorman to the Central-East Anatolian Turks, and Thracian Turks are to the Central Anatolian Turks. Although I'm referencing the current data, the sample sizes of Anatolian Turks in some cities might be lacking, so better leave a margin of error.