Main type among these Afghan pashtuns?

[Avicenna]

https://youtu.be/n0fpUugZSYs


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https://youtu.be/6sCoZC76sng


https://youtu.be/sInsd9-rM4Y


https://youtu.be/VgESCAQdCMk


https://youtu.be/u1OxnpO3ENY


https://youtu.be/_2nhDz-vzPo


https://youtu.be/tDyxdmUJjys

[Avicenna]

https://youtu.be/WhlyMuFpAm0


https://youtu.be/_uiX8i1jwJQ


https://youtu.be/dEunh3-bI3k


https://youtu.be/zR16-BqbVC0


https://youtu.be/AxaoM986CrQ


https://youtu.be/smmx1lJlJFc


https://youtu.be/O_N418x2Pn4

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[Oliver109]

Robust Med types generally, some with CM and Alpine influence

[Avicenna]

Robust Med types generally, some with CM and Alpine influence

Where do you see them passing ?

[Oliver109]

Where do you see them passing ?

There mainly, Tajikistan, Kurdistan, some in Turkey, Med countries.

[Avicenna]

There mainly, Tajikistan, Kurdistan, some in Turkey, Med countries.

Can guy number 5 pass in Spain? I don't know why but he gives me Iberian vibes , I've seen a few spaniards like him .

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[Oliver109]

Can guy number 5 pass in Spain? I don't know why but he gives me Iberian vibes , I've seen a few spaniards like him .

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Possibly but there are i think a few inconsistencies around the nose area.

[Avicenna]

Anymore ?

[Human10101]

There mainly, Tajikistan, Kurdistan, some in Turkey, Med countries.

Agree.

[Avicenna]

Agree.

But according to complexed trolls on quora , pashtuns should look no different to Indians ?!

https://i.ibb.co/QXMQ2cg/Screenshot-20220103-172840.jpg (https://ibb.co/3kcdDs3)
https://i.ibb.co/L5rXy5w/Screenshot-20220103-172852.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZXFSZ9)
https://i.ibb.co/DGVQcR1/Screenshot-20220103-172908.jpg (https://ibb.co/yhfqvQN)

If that kid is so rare( he's certainly not ) , why are all the pashtuns above on par or even lighter than him?

This is what these bastard commercial calculators have done to people with a hidden agendas ..it's given them fuel.to spread nonsense .

People think that afghans are whitewashed ? In what sense? If anything the countless posts of trolls and complexed you know who's have made afghans darker than what they are . Posting non afghans as afghans lol. I just had to post this since I came across it today and I was shocked .

[Oliver109]

But according to complexed trolls on quora , pashtuns should look no different to Indians ?!

https://i.ibb.co/QXMQ2cg/Screenshot-20220103-172840.jpg (https://ibb.co/3kcdDs3)
https://i.ibb.co/L5rXy5w/Screenshot-20220103-172852.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZXFSZ9)
https://i.ibb.co/DGVQcR1/Screenshot-20220103-172908.jpg (https://ibb.co/yhfqvQN)

If that kid is so rare( he's certainly not ) , why are all the pashtuns above on par or even lighter than him?

This is what these bastard commercial calculators have done to people with a hidden agendas ..it's given them fuel.to spread nonsense .

People think that afghans are whitewashed ? In what sense? If anything the countless posts of trolls and complexed you know who's have made afghans darker than what they are . Posting non afghans as afghans lol. I just had to post this since I came across it today and I was shocked .

A lot of people associate Pashtuns with Pakistan, any video of Peshawar will show a lot of Indian looking individuals and so there is an association. Afghanistan is not really known racially by a lot of people because the actual Afghan diaspora is quite dispersed meaning that people don't get a real idea of what people from the country look like.

[Avicenna]

A lot of people associate Pashtuns with Pakistan, any video of Peshawar will show a lot of Indian looking individuals and so there is an association. Afghanistan is not really known racially by a lot of people because the actual Afghan diaspora is quite dispersed meaning that people don't get a real idea of what people from the country look like.

Like zoro said, people have no idea about the ethnogenesis of pakistan let alone Khyber pakhtunkwa . I know a pashtun girl from Peshawar who literally looks no different to afghans , she has white skin and completley lacks any Indian influence . Her family members all look afghan , many have light eyes and some look russian . People get confused when a Indian looking "pashtun " says he's "afghan " or "pashtun " , and then assume all legit afghans look Indian . They also think afghans have this superior complex over south Asians and so when they meet a pashtun Pakistani who looks south Asian they get angry for afghans saying they look different . Its quite complicated but you get what I mean .

There was a video from Landi Kotal which is in FATA tribal areas of Pakistan and they all looked afghan . Go to Instagram and type in Landi Kotal in its location bar and see what they look like . Yet again, pictures from Peshawar which is extremely multi ethnic will be seen on those trolls posts .

People genuinely think that light eyes is rare among pashtuns yet in the videos above I posted , about 5 to 6 folks have light eyes . That's roughly 25-27% . Studies support this .

[Oliver109]

Like zoro said, people have no idea about the ethnogenesis of pakistan let alone Khyber pakhtunkwa . I know a pashtun girl from Peshawar who literally looks no different to afghans , she has white skin and completley lacks any Indian influence . Her family members all look afghan , many have light eyes and some look russian . People get confused when a Indian looking "pashtun " says he's "afghan " or "pashtun " , and then assume all legit afghans look Indian . They also think afghans have this superior complex over south Asians and so when they meet a pashtun Pakistani who looks south Asian they get angry for afghans saying they look different . Its quite complicated but you get what I mean .

There was a video from Landi Kotal which is in FATA tribal areas of Pakistan and they all looked afghan . Go to Instagram and type in Landi Kotal in its location bar and see what they look like . Yet again, pictures from Peshawar which is extremely multi ethnic will be seen on those trolls posts .

People genuinely think that light eyes is rare among pashtuns yet in the videos above I posted , about 5 to 6 folks have light eyes . That's roughly 25-27% . Studies support this .

I have met 1 or 2 White Pakistanis but they are rare and more Italian looking than anything, with that girl you mentioned was she pale white or tanned? because i would only count the former as really white.

[Avicenna]

I have met 1 or 2 White Pakistanis but they are rare and more Italian looking than anything, with that girl you mentioned was she pale white or tanned? because i would only count the former as really white.

The only two recent Pakistani pashtuns ive met were both pale skinned . The girl ( not that one ^) had black hair and very white skin, looked Turkish / Syrian but a thick Pakistani accent . I was shocked she was Pakistani until she told me she was pashtun .

[Oliver109]

The only two recent Pakistani pashtuns ive met were both pale skinned . The other girl had black hair and very white skin, looked Turkish / Syrian but a thick Pakistani accent . I was shocked she was Pakistani until she told me she was pashtun .

Very white and looks Turkish? tonnes of Pakistanis look Turkish, was she like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f6/bb/bdf6bb7222cdf1ed7c24b6609a988c92.jpg

[Avicenna]

I have met 1 or 2 White Pakistanis but they are rare and more Italian looking than anything, with that girl you mentioned was she pale white or tanned? because i would only count the former as really white.

Afghans in India


https://youtu.be/R0hIm_lo8-s

[Avicenna]

Very white and looks Turkish? tonnes of Pakistanis look Turkish, was she like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f6/bb/bdf6bb7222cdf1ed7c24b6609a988c92.jpg

I wouldnt say tonnes of pakistanis look turkish . No not like her , Im not going to post both of their pics since they are girls but when i initially saw her ( before she spoke ) I assumed she was like Turkish.

[Oliver109]

I wouldnt say tonnes of pakistanis look turkish . No not like her , Im not going to post both of their pics since they are girls but when i initially saw her ( before she spoke ) I assumed she was like Turkish.

Well quite a few Pakistanis look Turkish, enough that some may be considered to be of that ethnicity, pale Pakistanis are another matter all together, the Turkish girl i posted would be seen as paler than average in Turkey and maybe even approaching the Spanish norm or slightly darker French. Turkish looking Pakistanis would not be uncommon imo.

[Avicenna]

Well quite a few Pakistanis look Turkish, enough that some may be considered to be of that ethnicity, pale Pakistanis are another matter all together, the Turkish girl i posted would be seen as paler than average in Turkey and maybe even approaching the Spanish norm or slightly darker French. Turkish looking Pakistanis would not be uncommon imo.

To you there could be overlap but as someone who is quite well versed in Turkish phentypes and Pakistani phenotypes, there's very little overlap if I'm being honest . Iran/ Afghanistan is a better bet .( As in Pakistanis have more overlap with latter than former)

[Oliver109]

To you there could be overlap but as someone who is quite well versed in Turkish phentypes and Pakistani phenotypes, there's very little overlap if I'm being honest . Iran/ Afghanistan is a better bet .( As in Pakistanis have more overlap with latter than former)

The faces look different but the pigmentation can be similar i think, the difference being that Pakistani will very rarely be as pale as Turkish Alpines who can pass well even in France.

[Avicenna]

The faces look different but the pigmentation can be similar i think, the difference being that Pakistani will very rarely be as pale as Turkish Alpines who can pass well even in France.

In that case then yes possibly . I would say Turkish alpines look more balkan / Romanian than french though.

[Oliver109]

In that case then yes possibly . I would say Turkish alpines look more balkan / Romanian than french though.

Well yes though Alpines look quite similar regardless of nation unless mixed with other elements.

[Avicenna]

Very white and looks Turkish? tonnes of Pakistanis look Turkish, was she like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f6/bb/bdf6bb7222cdf1ed7c24b6609a988c92.jpg

This is a very typical Turkish look you know that right ? Who is she ? She looks like ozge torer

[Oliver109]

This is a very typical Turkish look you know that right ? Who is she ? She looks like ozge torer

Yeah, not uncommon though i said lighter than average

[Avicenna]

Yeah, not uncommon though i said lighter than average

Depends on the region but I wouldn't go out of my way to see she's lighter than average. She's well in the norm of a average Turk imo .

[Radimir]

Very white and looks Turkish? tonnes of Pakistanis look Turkish, was she like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/f6/bb/bdf6bb7222cdf1ed7c24b6609a988c92.jpg

She is very beautiful :redface_002:

[turbosat]

But according to complexed trolls on quora , pashtuns should look no different to Indians ?!

https://i.ibb.co/QXMQ2cg/Screenshot-20220103-172840.jpg (https://ibb.co/3kcdDs3)
https://i.ibb.co/L5rXy5w/Screenshot-20220103-172852.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZXFSZ9)
https://i.ibb.co/DGVQcR1/Screenshot-20220103-172908.jpg (https://ibb.co/yhfqvQN)

If that kid is so rare( he's certainly not ) , why are all the pashtuns above on par or even lighter than him?

This is what these bastard commercial calculators have done to people with a hidden agendas ..it's given them fuel.to spread nonsense .

People think that afghans are whitewashed ? In what sense? If anything the countless posts of trolls and complexed you know who's have made afghans darker than what they are . Posting non afghans as afghans lol. I just had to post this since I came across it today and I was shocked .

This was not necessarily written by Indians. Find proof first that it was written by Indians. It might have been written by Hazaras or Afghan Tajiks or even Pakistanis to get people like you worked up against Indians.

The Pashtuns I saw (mainly from KPK) in UAE dont look like "north Indians" or Haryanvis, except probably some individuals, but most of them also do not look extremely European either or like Pakistanis proper. I remember lots of them had green eyes, but not too many with blue eyes.

I cant remember everything about them now because it was quite a long while ago. I did not pay so much attention to them at that time about what they looked like. I just used to get into their taxi when I needed to go out from where I lived or worked. Though I remember one time a Pashtun driver got annoyed with me because I spoke to him in English rather than Urdu. He thought I was showing off or pretending to be superior to him whereas I spoke English because it is my first language. An uneducated Pashtun like him would not know that. Also (very surprisingly, if I listen to you) he mistook me for a Pakistani even though according to you Pakistanis are supposed to all be western shifted more Afghan than us.

[turbosat]

Like zoro said, people have no idea about the ethnogenesis of pakistan let alone Khyber pakhtunkwa . I know a pashtun girl from Peshawar who literally looks no different to afghans , she has white skin and completley lacks any Indian influence . Her family members all look afghan , many have light eyes and some look russian . People get confused when a Indian looking "pashtun " says he's "afghan " or "pashtun " , and then assume all legit afghans look Indian . They also think afghans have this superior complex over south Asians and so when they meet a pashtun Pakistani who looks south Asian they get angry for afghans saying they look different . Its quite complicated but you get what I mean .

There was a video from Landi Kotal which is in FATA tribal areas of Pakistan and they all looked afghan . Go to Instagram and type in Landi Kotal in its location bar and see what they look like . Yet again, pictures from Peshawar which is extremely multi ethnic will be seen on those trolls posts .

People genuinely think that light eyes is rare among pashtuns yet in the videos above I posted , about 5 to 6 folks have light eyes . That's roughly 25-27% . Studies support this .

Why are you writing "Indian influence" or "look Indian"? They are all Pakistanis whatever they look like, not Indian.
Write "she has white skin and completley lacks any Pakistani influence", and "People get confused when a Pakistani looking "pashtun " says he's "afghan " or "pashtun " , and then assume all legit afghans look Pakistani".

Would be appreciated if you can correct your thinking. Thank you Talibumber.

[Avicenna]

Why are you writing "Indian influence" or "look Indian"? They are all Pakistanis whatever they look like, not Indian.
Write "she has white skin and completley lacks any Pakistani influence", and "People get confused when a Pakistani looking "pashtun " says he's "afghan " or "pashtun " , and then assume all legit afghans look Pakistani".

Would be appreciated if you can correct your thinking. Thank you Talibumber.

Lollllll

Actually historically , anything east of the Indus River had always been "Hindustan " . So the correct term is Hindu .

[FinalFlash]

Pashtuns, to me, don't look South Asian on average. Definitely more like Tajiks, and even Iranians.

[Avicenna]

Pashtuns, to me, don't look South Asian on average. Definitely more like Tajiks, and even Iranians.

Out of the folks in OP who do you think passes best as Assyrian ? Do you want me to screenshot all the guys since I know clicking on every video is a bit long ?

[StonyArabia]

Out of the folks in OP who do you think passes best as Assyrian ? Do you want me to screenshot all the guys since I know clicking on every video is a bit long ?

They all pass as Assyrian

[Human10101]

Pashtuns, to me, don't look South Asian on average. Definitely more like Tajiks, and even Iranians.


Pashtuns are not a homogeneous group. The Pashtun identity is relatively new, and the Pashtun identity is mostly based on language and to a lesser extent culture rather than blood line alone. I think of Pashtuns as a linguistic group. So different groups overtime came together and formed what we see as Pashtun identity today, but they do not all have the same origins. I believe large portions of the Pakistani Pashtun population are locals which were “pashtunized”, and or mixed with indic groups and their faces clearly reflect this.

Afghan Pashtuns look distinct from South Asians, they are diverse and some can look like a Chechen, many can often look Persian, and a minority can look Turkic such as a Turkmen, Uzbek or even Hazara. You can even find Semitic looking ones. Some of them are dark, but they don’t really look south Asian because despite the dark pigmentation, their facial features are different. Overall, outside of Afghanistan I agree with you, probably Iran and Tajikistan is the best place where they will pass.

Pakistani Pashtuns are a different case, the ones near the border are similar to Afghans but further into Pakistan(where I believe majority of the pak Pashtun population lives) there are quite a few that indeed look very similar to Punjabis,
Not just in skin color but even in facial features too. I don’t speak Pashto, but I believe Pakistani Pashtuns even mix Urdu and Pashto when speaking to each other.(from what I have been told)

[Avicenna]

Pashtuns are not a homogeneous group. The Pashtun identity is relatively new, and the Pashtun identity is mostly based on language and to a lesser extent culture rather than blood line alone. I think of Pashtuns as a linguistic group. So different groups overtime came together and formed what we see as Pashtuns today. I believe large portions of the Pakistani Pashtun population are locals which were “pashtunized”, and or mixed with indic groups and their faces clearly reflect this.

Afghan Pashtuns generally look distinct from South Asians, they are diverse and some can look like a Chechen, others can look Persian, some can look Turkic such as a Turkmen, Uzbek or even Hazara. You can even find Semitic looking ones. Some of them are dark, but they don’t really look south Asian because despite the dark pigmentation, their facial features are different. Overall, outside of Afghanistan I agree with you, probably Iran and Tajikistan is the best place where they will pass.

Pakistani Pashtuns are a different case, the ones near the border are similar to Afghans but further into Pakistan(where I believe majority of the pak Pashtun population lives) there are quite a few that indeed look very similar to Punjabis,
Not just in skin color but even in facial features too. I don’t speak Pashto, but I believe they even mix Urdu and Pashto when speaking to each other.(from what I have been told)

There is definitely a pashtun identity , I would have to correct on you that . For instance , there is a CLEAR link between a pashtun from Kandahar and a pashtun from Baghlan, despite the distance spanning between London and Dundee ( north of Scotland ). Pashtuns ( Afghans + FATA pashtuns including villages around Peshawar district ) are quite homogenous. Light eyes is common among all pashtuns . If we go by g25 ancient models etc southern pashtuns are like the proxy proto pashtuns . This is supported by the fact that southern pashtuns are very high in BMAC, central pashtuns are rich in Steppe + BMAC , gve richness in steppe could reflect the fact that they've received more eastern iranic ancestry from the steppes ? Eastern pashtuns from Afghanistan are usually a mix between Eastern pashtuns + NE pashtuns ( Pakistani pashtuns ) who seem to be more shifted towards the Indus , this is reflected by some extra IVC whilst maintaining high steppe ancestry . Yes I agree , the more eastward towards the Indus River you go, the pashtuns seem to produce more Indid types that are found east of the Indus River .

[Avicenna]

They all pass as Assyrian

I don't think so man

[StonyArabia]

I don't think so man

They do. They pass as Kurds to

[Avicenna]

They do. They pass as Kurds to

What do the assyrians think ?

[StonyArabia]

What do the assyrians think ?

Probably because they are Muslim they could never pass lol. Trust me they can pass as Assyrians and Kurds easily. A lot of Assyrians think they can pass better in Europe lol. Or if you are Muslim you are genetically Arabian that’s the Assyrian mindset pretty much. Assyrians are very anti-Muslim more so than many Europeans.

[Avicenna]

Probably because they are Muslim they could never pass lol. Trust me they can pass as Assyrians and Kurds easily. A lot of Assyrians think they can pass better in Europe lol. Or if you are Muslim you are genetically Arabian that’s the Assyrian mindset pretty much. Assyrians are very anti-Muslim more so than many Europeans.

I think the assyrians are quite reasonable in this forum . I actually have very good experience with them on this forum . Maybe most can pass but I think certain ones can't , they are too dark or too eastern to pass .

[FinalFlash]

Out of the folks in OP who do you think passes best as Assyrian ? Do you want me to screenshot all the guys since I know clicking on every video is a bit long ?

Don't know tbh. I would think some can but overall they still look different in my eyes.

[turbosat]

Lollllll

Actually historically , anything east of the Indus River had always been "Hindustan " . So the correct term is Hindu .

It was Hindustan and also Hind in Persian but in English it is "Indians". The people were known as Hindus (to Persians) which would be "Indians" in English, but now "Hindu" refers only to those who follow the various Hindu religious functions. Afghans also called people around the Indus as Hindkis meaning also "Indians". Those people themselves must later have changed it to "Hindkos". These people were not all east of the Indus. Some of them were to west of Indus originally as well.

We can't now still write them as "Indians" because they are Pakistanis. This is why I said write "Pakistanis" instead of "Indians" but you still feel like calling them Indians in some cases because you also have to write of Pashtuns in KPK as Pakistanis.

You have claimed lots of Pakistanis, especially somewhere up north in Punjab adjacent to KPK/Chitral etc, overlap in appearance with Afghans/Pashtuns. At the same time you appear to be suggesting that in places like Peshawar where the very white skinned Pashtun girl is from, there are still lots of "Indian influenced" people making others confused about Pashtuns/Afghans. But there should not be any "indian influenced" Pakistanis in Peshawar, if as you say there are so many western shifted Pakistanis further away in Mirpur etc. It does not make sense. It means you are confused about these things and exaggerating or not fully knowledgeable about British Pakistanis or most normal Pakistanis.

Anyway these people below I believe are all Afghan Pashtuns. Of course they don't look Indians, but they also do not look like your western shifted Pakistanis. Or maybe you can find a group of bearded Pakistani sitting together in one gathering who look like them?

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/styles/image_with_caption/public/2019-05/20190529-sr_449_feature-sr.jpg?itok=OPwKw20O

https://asiasociety.org/sites/default/files/styles/600w/public/1/140407_afghanistan_017.jpg

[Avicenna]

It was Hindustan and also Hind in Persian but in English it is "Indians". The people were known as Hindus (to Persians) which would be "Indians" in English, but now "Hindu" refers only to those who follow the various Hindu religious functions. Afghans also called people around the Indus as Hindkis meaning also "Indians". Those people themselves must later have changed it to "Hindkos". These people were not all east of the Indus. Some of them were to west of Indus originally as well.

We can't now still write them as "Indians" because they are Pakistanis. This is why I said write "Pakistanis" instead of "Indians" but you still feel like calling them Indians in some cases because you also have to write of Pashtuns in KPK as Pakistanis.

You have claimed lots of Pakistanis, especially somewhere up north in Punjab adjacent to KPK/Chitral etc, overlap in appearance with Afghans/Pashtuns. At the same time you appear to be suggesting that in places like Peshawar where the very white skinned Pashtun girl is from, there are still lots of "Indian influenced" people making others confused about Pashtuns/Afghans. But there should not be any "indian influenced" Pakistanis in Peshawar, if as you say there are so many western shifted Pakistanis further away in Mirpur etc. It does not make sense. It means you are confused about these things and exaggerating or not fully knowledgeable about British Pakistanis or most normal Pakistanis.

Anyway these people below I believe are all Afghan Pashtuns. Of course they don't look Indians, but they also do not look like your western shifted Pakistanis. Or maybe you can find a group of bearded Pakistani sitting together in one gathering who look like them?

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/styles/image_with_caption/public/2019-05/20190529-sr_449_feature-sr.jpg?itok=OPwKw20O

https://asiasociety.org/sites/default/files/styles/600w/public/1/140407_afghanistan_017.jpg

No it means that Peshawar is a urban city with lots of mukti ethnic groups like hindkos who inhabit those places . Regions even in kpk show "Pakistani " Influence , which is why I said specifically fata tribal areas and villages around Peshawar . You seem to project your insecurities constantly onto me lol

Those men do look very dark indeed , not surprised since they are from Helmand , which is extremely hot all times of the year . Are you trying to say that even western shifted Pakistanis don't look like them?^ I don't understand ?

[Avicenna]

It was Hindustan and also Hind in Persian but in English it is "Indians". The people were known as Hindus (to Persians) which would be "Indians" in English, but now "Hindu" refers only to those who follow the various Hindu religious functions. Afghans also called people around the Indus as Hindkis meaning also "Indians". Those people themselves must later have changed it to "Hindkos". These people were not all east of the Indus. Some of them were to west of Indus originally as well.

We can't now still write them as "Indians" because they are Pakistanis. This is why I said write "Pakistanis" instead of "Indians" but you still feel like calling them Indians in some cases because you also have to write of Pashtuns in KPK as Pakistanis.

You have claimed lots of Pakistanis, especially somewhere up north in Punjab adjacent to KPK/Chitral etc, overlap in appearance with Afghans/Pashtuns. At the same time you appear to be suggesting that in places like Peshawar where the very white skinned Pashtun girl is from, there are still lots of "Indian influenced" people making others confused about Pashtuns/Afghans. But there should not be any "indian influenced" Pakistanis in Peshawar, if as you say there are so many western shifted Pakistanis further away in Mirpur etc. It does not make sense. It means you are confused about these things and exaggerating or not fully knowledgeable about British Pakistanis or most normal Pakistanis.

Anyway these people below I believe are all Afghan Pashtuns. Of course they don't look Indians, but they also do not look like your western shifted Pakistanis. Or maybe you can find a group of bearded Pakistani sitting together in one gathering who look like them?

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/styles/image_with_caption/public/2019-05/20190529-sr_449_feature-sr.jpg?itok=OPwKw20O

https://asiasociety.org/sites/default/files/styles/600w/public/1/140407_afghanistan_017.jpg

You seem to cherypick or take my words out of context . I said that northern Punjabis Highlanders CAN produce types that are more western shifted and APPROACHING iranid types but not fully . More like a blend of iranid and nord Indid .

The people from helmand don't look like western shifted Pakistanis , helmand is in southern Afghanistan . Not close to northern punjab at all . Western shifted Punjabis usually look more akin to NW Pakistan pashtuns.


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