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Oliver109
03-15-2022, 01:09 PM
Overall are the Ukranians more Spanish looking than the British? i think there are quite a few darker Alpine and Pontid types that would fit into Spain fairly easily though i cannot say too much as my country still has to experience a lot of Ukrainian migration.

Tooting Carmen
03-15-2022, 03:13 PM
No, Ukrainians look too Slavic to pass in substantial numbers anywhere in Western Europe, North or South.

Oliver109
03-15-2022, 03:43 PM
No, Ukrainians look too Slavic to pass in substantial numbers anywhere in Western Europe, North or South.

Depends what you mean by Slavic looking, the Alpine or Pontid ones i think pass better if they lack Uralic or Turkic and Baltid admixture.

Roy
03-15-2022, 05:52 PM
No, Ukrainians look too Slavic to pass in substantial numbers anywhere in Western Europe, North or South.

They are, but it does not mean that they necessarily pass worse than Spaniards which most of the time are woggy.

AndreAndre
03-15-2022, 06:00 PM
On G25, Spaniards are closer to Brits from Cornwall than to Ukrainians from Zakarpattia
Distance to: Spanish_Andalucia
0.07444229 English_Cornwall
0.09482662 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia

However, this closeness is due to lack of "eastern" = EHG, CHG, Nganassan admixture in Spaniards and Anglos.
CHG and EHG in appearance looked rather Southern European, and even Nganassan admixture in a way can create southern European looks
(Asians have a lot of similarity to meds in terms of color, nose shape, eyebrows)

If we model these groups as a mixture of WHG, EHG, CHG, and Barcin we get this picture
Target: English_Cornwall
Distance: 0.0668% / 0.06682885
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
36.9 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
8.0 GEO_CHG
7.5 WHG

"Southern" total = 47.6+ 8.0 = 55.6%

Target: Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
Distance: 0.0606% / 0.06058187
45.5 TUR_Barcin_N
40.0 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
10.2 GEO_CHG
4.3 WHG

Southern Total = 45.5 + 10.2 = 55.7%


Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 0.0448% / 0.04477969
61.4 TUR_Barcin_N
20.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
9.2 WHG
8.6 GEO_CHG

So we see that Ukrainians are roughly as Southern as the English are.
However, Ukrainians have a higher EHG to WHG ratio, which would make thems slighly darker as EHG were darker pigmented than WHG. Thus, I would say that genetics wise Ukrainians are likely to pass better in Spain than English are.

AndreAndre
03-15-2022, 06:00 PM
They are, but it does not mean that they necessarily pass worse than Spaniards which most of the time are woggy.

Ukrainians are no less woggy than English

Tooting Carmen
03-15-2022, 09:28 PM
They are, but it does not mean that they necessarily pass worse than Spaniards which most of the time are woggy.

I think you misinterpret his point. He is arguing that Ukrainians pass better in Spain than British people do.

Roy
03-16-2022, 08:03 AM
I think you misinterpret his point. He is arguing that Ukrainians pass better in Spain than British people do.

I stand corrected then.