Classify Northern Italian footballer Davide Brivio

[Carl_uhul]

From Milan, Lombardy.

Surname is also Lombard:

https://i.ibb.co/6mHnS42/CYMERA-20230712-211035.jpg



Born on March 17th, 1988.
1.85m tall.



https://i.ibb.co/txFNR32/brivio10.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8zWDzLC/Davide-Brivio.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SnNbHnz/14917723429-9b9bb453cb-o.png

https://i.ibb.co/jrvdBXM/38824-1570172755.png

https://i.ibb.co/y4NS9c6/CYMERA-20230712-220715.jpg

https://www.footballdatabase.eu/images/photos/players/a_14/14298.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Nt0xkpb/CYMERA-20230609-162050.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/hcKPGsw/21230782-1658363997531761-7579309106041427435-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pjxDtwb/CYMERA-20230609-162150.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/dr4kHn6/Davide-Brivio-refor-o.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QdYdgv2/151258690121162.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/DavideBrivio_02.JPG

https://www.trnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/brivio-davide.jpg

[Xacal]

Berid + East Med

[Carl_uhul]

Berid + East Med

How common is his phenotype in Lombardy (and Northern Italy in general)?

[Beowulf]

maybe gracile-med

[Jambudvīpa]

Very european look and also very dark. maybe trans med?

[Erronkari]

Berid + East Med

X2

[Carl_uhul]

Very european look and also very dark. maybe trans med?

Real? He looks like a light Arab imo

https://i.ibb.co/LNrxd63/CYMERA-20230712-220404.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/y4NS9c6/CYMERA-20230712-220715.jpg

[Jambudvīpa]

Real? He looks like a light Arab imo

https://i.ibb.co/LNrxd63/CYMERA-20230712-220404.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/y4NS9c6/CYMERA-20230712-220715.jpg

yeah I wouldn't be super surprised if someone said he was arab, its just he has features that I associate with Iberians

[Odelia]

Looks like a Christian Syrian/Lebanese. Sexy man. Transmed with heavy anatolid influence!

[Eurafricanid]

Berid + East Med

Yeah, also passes as Nea Eastern.

[Gehenoth]

Berid + East Med.

[Carl_uhul]

Guys, how common do you think his phenotype is among ethnic northern Italians? I'd like to read Italian members' opinions if it's possible.

[Odelia]

Guys, how common do you think his phenotype is among ethnic northern Italians? I'd like to read Italian members' opinions if it's possible.
He's a very rare type there. He is a better fit as south Italian or med islander, if not the levant or turkey.

[Carl_uhul]

He's a very rare type there. He is a better fit as south Italian or med islander, if not the levant or turkey.

Thanks for the information!

[Carl_uhul]

Any other opinions?

[aherne]

Pure ENF look... Passes from Afghanistan to Portugal

[Carl_uhul]

Pure ENF look... Passes from Afghanistan to Portugal

I think he'd have a hard time passing as Northern Italian (especially among ethnic Milaneses).
I've never seen a Lombard person with such phenotype in the cities of Northern Italy.

[Vid Flumina]

Having one north italian grandparent is not uncommon for someone born in Milan, chances of finding someone with all four grandparents native to Lombardy on the other hand..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FDeLcc_pw

[Sebastianus Rex]

East Med + Paleo Sardinian

[Smaug]

Those teeth...

[Carl_uhul]

Honestly, do you guys really think he even passes somewhere in Europe? He has thick-lips, very dark caucasoid skin (type IV or even darker when tanned), thick-eyebrows, very dark curly hair, hooked-nose and so on.
If I didn't know that he is a Lombard, I would guess him as a light-arab at best. He doesn't look even southern Italian, his features and traits are totally off for Europe.
Iberians, Italians and Greeks, although swarthier than people from central and eastern European countries (especially when it comes to pigmentation), have 100% europid faces and europid looks. But Davide Brivio, although being caucasian-looking, doesn't look like a white European. I wonder how you guys would classify him if I hadn't given his ethnicity - probably you guys would have said that he doesn't pass even in southern Italy (when he actually is not only Italian, but a NORTHERN Italian).

https://i.ibb.co/Nt0xkpb/CYMERA-20230609-162050.jpg

https://net-storage.tcccdn.com/storage/tuttoatalanta.com/img_notizie/thumb3/6d/6d8f57acd55c1a353d8abc6eb1dafb1b-38192-oooz0000.jpeg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/davide-brivio-2bb92bee-2775-4610-aa6d-703d3025962-resize-750.jpg

[parsley]

Berid

[Carl_uhul]

Berid

lol

[Ajeje Brazorf]

From Milan, Lombardy.

You do know that the majority of the population in Milan has extensively mixed with immigrants from Southern Italy, don't you? Surnames are like haplogroups, they don't say much. That guy could very well be only 1/4 Lombard.

[Carl_uhul]

You do know that the majority of the population in Milan has extensively mixed with immigrants from Southern Italy, don't you? Surnames are like haplogroups, they don't say much. That guy could very well be only 1/4 Lombard.

His family is from Lecco.

Also, not even the majority people of full southern Italian background (Calabrians, Sicilians and Sardinians) looks like this guy. But Davide Brivio honestly looks like a light Arab.

That's how I imagine an average southern Italian guy:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Lausanne_vs_Sion_27_february_2013_-_Gennaro_Gattuso.jpg

Gattuso is of fully southern Italian background (Calabrian) and still looks 100% Italian and 100% white European.

Davide Brivio doesn't even look fully European (although he is), and I'm not intented to troll Italian members in this forum, but imo he looks like a "light" arab (he looks caucasian, he looks neither mixed with black nor with mongoloid; maybe he can pass as a dark MENA, but I've never seen an European with such look - let alone an ethnic Lombard). Italy is undoubtly a white-European country, but there are a very minor population with ambiguous look, the same way you can also find a minority ambiguous-looking people in Iberia and Greece, for example. But since the members of TA usually compare Northern-Italians to "Nordicized-shifted-looking Europeans" (differently from Iberians and Greeks, who are already considered "wogs" by most of the members of this forum, Northern-Italians are often a reference to "whiteness" among southern European countries), I kinda "question" their whiteness and "nordiciness" since it's not rare at all to find ethnic Lombards, Venetians and Trentinians who sometimes look less euro-looking than even some southern Italians.

Paolo Grossi, Milanese footballer:

https://i.ibb.co/DQzbdz3/paolo-grossi.jpg

[Padanian]

This guy not only doesn't pass as a native in both northern and southern regions of Italy, but also in nowhere else in Europe. He looks gypsy or arab, his phenotype is totally uneuropean. Not sure about his ancestry/ethnic background though.

[TrevorXdX]

Honestly, do you guys really think he even passes somewhere in Europe? He has thick-lips, very dark caucasoid skin (type IV or even darker when tanned), thick-eyebrows, very dark curly hair, hooked-nose and so on.
If I didn't know that he is a Lombard, I would guess him as a light-arab at best. He doesn't look even southern Italian, his features and traits are totally off for Europe.
Iberians, Italians and Greeks, although swarthier than people from central and eastern European countries (especially when it comes to pigmentation), have 100% europid faces and europid looks. But Davide Brivio, although being caucasian-looking, doesn't look like a white European. I wonder how you guys would classify him if I hadn't given his ethnicity - probably you guys would have said that he doesn't pass even in southern Italy (when he actually is not only Italian, but a NORTHERN Italian).

https://i.ibb.co/Nt0xkpb/CYMERA-20230609-162050.jpg

https://net-storage.tcccdn.com/storage/tuttoatalanta.com/img_notizie/thumb3/6d/6d8f57acd55c1a353d8abc6eb1dafb1b-38192-oooz0000.jpeg

https://alchetron.com/cdn/davide-brivio-2bb92bee-2775-4610-aa6d-703d3025962-resize-750.jpg

+1

[Sebastianus Rex]

This guy not only doesn't pass as a native in both northern and southern regions of Italy, but also in nowhere else in Europe. He looks gypsy or arab, his phenotype is totally uneuropean. Not sure about his ancestry/ethnic background though.

You are either retarded or a troll. He doesn't look Arab at all, he doesn't even has the typical semitic long hook nose, I am yet to see a Maghrebian/Arab/paki immigrant to pass reasonably in a southern European country. Gigi Donnarumma for example is waaaay more exotic and actually looks non-european.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5555/14917723429_9b9bb453cb_o.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Gianluigi_Donnarumma_%2831895135436%29_%28cropped% 29.jpg

[Padanian]

You are either retarded or a troll. He doesn't look Arab at all, he doesn't even has the typical semitic long hook nose, I am yet to see a Maghrebian/Arab/paki immigrant to pass reasonably in a southern European country. Gigi Donnarumma for example is waaaay more exotic and actually looks non-european.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5555/14917723429_9b9bb453cb_o.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Gianluigi_Donnarumma_%2831895135436%29_%28cropped% 29.jpg

Are you really suggesting this guy is an ethnic Lombard?

https://www.picenotime.it/data/uploads/h/151258690121162.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/y4NS9c6/CYMERA-20230712-220715.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

Are you really suggesting this guy is an ethnic Lombard?

https://www.picenotime.it/data/uploads/h/151258690121162.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/y4NS9c6/CYMERA-20230712-220715.jpg

Who can say that? Internal migration has been going for many decades, even centuries, what I'm saying is that he doesn't have typical Arab/middle eastern features, even in France you can find similar Mediterranean hairy types. Unlike Donnarumma for example or this guy (former mayor of Messina) who look clearly middle eastern:
https://gsud.cdn-immedia.net/2017/08/25182819-Intaccorinti04-08-17mp4-800x800.jpg

Even Tassotti or Chielini types have more borderline phenotypes than Brivido so I don't get why you wrote that he doesn't pass even in southern Italy. :confused:

[ugochaves]

Saccharides

[ugochaves]

This guy not only doesn't pass as a native in both northern and southern regions of Italy, but also in nowhere else in Europe. He looks gypsy or arab, his phenotype is totally uneuropean. Not sure about his ancestry/ethnic background though.
He pass in Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France. An ordinary European
https://i.ibb.co/9gvYh1f/39346.jpg (https://ibb.co/W53K0Md)

[Padanian]

He pass in Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France. An ordinary European
https://i.ibb.co/9gvYh1f/39346.jpg (https://ibb.co/W53K0Md)

He looks nothing like the guy in this picture

[Padanian]

Who can say that? Internal migration has been going for many decades, even centuries, what I'm saying is that he doesn't have typical Arab/middle eastern features, even in France you can find similar Mediterranean hairy types. Unlike Donnarumma for example or this guy (former mayor of Messina) who look clearly middle eastern:
https://gsud.cdn-immedia.net/2017/08/25182819-Intaccorinti04-08-17mp4-800x800.jpg

Even Tassotti or Chielini types have more borderline phenotypes than Brivido so I don't get why you wrote that he doesn't pass even in southern Italy. :confused:

But Donnarumma and Chiellini aren't "northern Italians", unlike Brivio. That's the difference between Brivio and the two footballers you mentioned: they aren't supposed to look northern-shifted because they are southern Italians. But Brivio is (theorically) a northern-Italian, that's why he should look at least Alpine (instead of having such a Palestinian look).

[Sebastianus Rex]

But Donnarumma and Chiellini aren't "northern Italians", unlike Brivio. That's the difference between Brivio and the two footballers you mentioned: they aren't supposed to look northern-shifted because they are southern Italians. But Brivio is (theorically) a northern-Italian, that's why he should look at least Alpine (instead of having such a Palestinian look).

You were the one who wrote that Brivio wouldn't even pass as a south italian, I just pointed that you were exagerating about that.

[Padanian]

You were the one who wrote that Brivio wouldn't even pass as a south italian, I just pointed that you were exagerating about that.

This guy has dark curly-hair, large/wide nose, thick eyebrows, big lips, dark skin-color (even for far-southern-European standards). Everything points out to considerably non-Euro input. Maybe some small SSA influence or higher MENA influence in his DNA.
I'm curious if he would be considered "white" in countries such as United States or Brazil.

https://i.ibb.co/8zWDzLC/Davide-Brivio.jpg

[Brend9495]

Some south euros have features like that too, of course not the most commun but not very rare. You say thick eyebrows are not commun for South Euro ? Lol. But yeah it’s the combination who make him exotic but for me he is not more exotic than Donnarruma or Gianluca Frabotta

[Padanian]

Some south euros have features like that too, of course not the most commun but not very rare. You say thick eyebrows are not commun for South Euro ? Lol. But yeah it’s the combination who make him exotic but for me he is not more exotic than Donnarruma or Gianluca Frabotta

Yes, but none of them (including Roberto Di Matteo in this list of "most exotic Italians") are Lombard. All of them are southerners (the region of Italy where you can easily find such atypical type). But Davide Brivio is a Lombard. He was born in Milan, and his parents are from Lecco. Do you know what a Lombard looks like? Most of them fit easily in alpine countries, such as Switzerland and Austria (and a small minority is even germanic-shifted).


https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2703866722_9c3a6e03d7.jpg


This footballer looks almost between octoroon-quadroon range. Everybody would classify him as "mixed-race" if the title of this post was "Classify American (or Brazilian) footballer".

I can surely tell you it's 10 times easier to find a Lombard who looks like this man (although his phenotype is not so common here) rather than find a Lombard (?) who looks like Davide Brivio:


https://i.ibb.co/r5bTjmM/images-1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/wcNvZVp/Og5c4Cw.jpg

[Brend9495]

Of course i never say he is commun, from what i see even for Naples he look exotic,but i think « exotic « type exist in all région, so maybe he is from a city who product more dark type ? Because i noticed that, some city or even small town, village have more dark types than others. Do Palazzi is Lombard name or not ?

[Padanian]

Of course i never say he is commun, from what i see even for Naples he look exotic,but i think « exotic « type exist in all région, so maybe he is from a city who product more dark type ? Because i noticed that, some city or even small town, village have more dark types than others. Do Palazzi is Lombard name or not ?

Palazzi is a Northern-Central surname (especially from Emilia-Romagna and Lombardy).

[Uranous]

Berid with some mena