Classify my French team

[steel]

The players I'd pick for France's footy team

http://i49.tinypic.com/24c5btf.jpg

Left to right:


1st row: (1) Yoann Gourcuff, (2) Philippe Mexes, (3) Antoine Griezmann, (4) Jeremy Menez, (5) Maxime Gonalons, (6) Olivier Giroud

2nd: (1) Laurent Koscielny, (2) Marvin Martin, (3) Mathieu Valbuena, (4) Mathieu Bodmer, (5) Franck Ribery, (6) Hugo Lloris

3rd: (1) Mathieu Debuchy, (2) Jeremy Mathieu, (3) Jeremy Toulalan, (4) Geoffrey Jourden, (5) Anthony Reveillere, (6) Mickael Landreau

4th: (1) Kevin Gameiro, (2) Nolan Roux, (3) Marc Planus, (4) Francois Clerc, (5) Thomas Heurtaux

Some of them have foreign names. But those that do are likely partially French by ancestry. That's because France to some extent has had a melting pot with its White Catholic immigrants from Spain, Italy, etc.

Gourcuff and Menez are weird-looking names, but they're Breton. Mickael Landreau is also a Breton.

Maxime Gonalons sounds Spanish/Catalan. He looks like it, too.

Laurent Koscielny is a Polish name. Seems to be entirely Polish. But he's France's best center back...

Mathieu Valbuena is confirmed half-Spanish. And maybe half-French.

Hugo Lloris has a Spanish name, but he looks partially French.

Kevin Gameiro has a Portuguese grandfather. So he could be mostly French.

I have no idea what Marvin Martin's roots are or could be. He doesn't look French, but Iberian. But he's got a French name.

[guyinsf]

If I just go with the ones that are for certain ethnic french with french last names it's mostly nordid-atlantid-med combo but more nordid and atlantid than med. The ones with Iberian last names do look all or partially spanish or portuguese for sure. Marvin Martin looks like a half white half black combo even and the one ethnic guy Philippe Mexes look really odd to me, like he's mixed with something else that's not white, maybe it's just his very bloated face and weird nose.

[Rouxinol]

1st row:
(1) Yoann Gourcuff, mainly Atlanto-Mediterranid/Atlantid with tendencies towards North Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid proper and some Alpinid input
(2) Philippe Mexes, a Keltic Nordid with the Cro-Magnid component being very strong (Gerard Dépardieu-like)
(3) Antoine Griezmann, Sub-Nordid for the most part
(4) Jeremy Menez, North Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid tending to Keltic Nordid
(5) Maxime Gonalons, Atlanto-Dinarid
(6) Olivier Giroud, mostly North Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid with Keltic Nordid tendencies

2nd:
(1) Laurent Koscielny, North Pontid for the most part
(2) Marvin Martin, textbook Berid
(3) Mathieu Valbuena, Atlantid with to Keltic Nordid tendencies
(4) Mathieu Bodmer, mainly Keltic Nordid
(5) Franck Ribery, a Keltic Nordid/Dinaro-Mediterranid combo
(6) Hugo Lloris, Atlanto-Mediterranid for the most part

3rd:
(1) Mathieu Debuchy, mostly North Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid with Keltic Nordid tendencies
(2) Jeremy Mathieu, Kelto-Brunn for the most part
(3) Jeremy Toulalan, Atlanto-Mediterranid with some Cro-Magnid input
(4) Geoffrey Jourden, Atlanto-Borreby combo
(5) Anthony Reveillere, inbetween North Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid and Keltic Nordid
(6) Mickael Landreau, mostly Kelto-Brunn with the Keltic Nordid side predominant

4th:
(1) Kevin Gameiro, mostly Kelto-Brunn
(2) Nolan Roux, Atlanto-Dinarid for the most part
(3) Marc Planus, Atlanto-Mediterranid with Alpinid and Cro-Magnid inputs
(4) Francois Clerc, Norid for the most part
(5) Thomas Heurtaux, Atlantid/Cro-Magnid mix

[GeistFaust]

1. Yoann Gourcuff: Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid with additional Atlanto-Mediterranid and Cro-Magnon influences possible.

2. Phillipe Mexes: Borreby-Nordid range or some form of a robust Sub-Nordid.

3. Antoine Griezmann: Robust Sub-Nordid sounds about right

4. Jeremy Menez: Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid with additional Atlanto-Nordid and Alpinoid influences

5. Maxime Gonalons: Atlantid with an additional Dinarid and Alpinoid influence.

6. Olivier Giroud: Cro-Magnon with an additional Atlanto-Nordid/Nordo-Mediterranid influence, and possibly a Dinarid influence.

7. Laurent Koscielny: Atlantid/Atlanto-Nordid with additional Dinarid influences.

8. Marvin Martin: Alpinoid-Berid predominantly with additional Mediterranid influences.

9. Mathieu Valbuena: Atlanto-Alpinoid or Atlantid with a strong Alpinoid influence.

10. Mathieu Bodmer: Sub-Nordid predominantly.

11. Franck Ribery: Atlanto-Dinarid or Atlantid with a strong Dinarid influence, and additional Alpinoid influences appear to be present.

12. Hugo Lloris: Atlantid/Nordo-Mediterranid with additional Atlanto-Nordid and Cro-Magnon influences possible.

[GeistFaust]

13. Mathieu Debuchy: Atlanto-Nordid/Nordid with additional Nordo-Mediterranid and Cro-Magnon influences.

14. Jeremy Mathieu: Nordid-Faelid predominantly.

15. Jeremy Toulalan: Atlantid/Atlanto-Mediterranid with additional Nordo-Mediterranid and Alpinoid influences.

16. Geoffrey Jourden: Cro-Magnon/Faelid with additional Atlanto-Nordid influences possible.

17. Anthony Reveillere: Atlanto-Nordid with some additional strong to standard Keltic-Nordid influences possible, but could just be an integrable part of the Atlanto-Nordid.

18. Mickael Landreau: Nordid with additional strong to standard Cro-Magnon influences, and almost Tronder like.

19. Kevin Gameiro: Atlantid/Atlanto-Nordid with a strong Cro-Magnon influence and an additional Alpinoid influence.

20. Nolan Roux: Atlantid/Atlanto-Nordid with a strong Dinarid influence and additional Cro-Magnon influences, and almost gives off a Keltic-Nordid vibe.

21. Marc Planus: Atlanto-Mediterranid with a strong to standard Alpinoid influence.

22. Francois Clerc: Atlantid/Atlanto-Nordid with additional Dinarid influences

23. Thomas Heurtaux: Cro-Magnon + Atlanto-Nordid/Nordo-Mediterranid Atlantid.

[Davy Jones's Locker]

Gourcuff: Pred Atlanto-Mediterranean/Atlantid?
Mexes: Alpinid/Borreby with Atlanto-Nordid influence.
Griezmann: Nordid + CM. (Looks German?)
Menez: Pred Atlantid?
Gonalons: Pred Atlanto-Mediterranean. (What's his ethnicity?)
Giroud: CM + Atlantid.



Koscielny: Pred Atlantid.


Laurent Koscielny is a Polish name. Seems to be entirely Polish. But he's France's best center back...

Iirc he's 1/4 Polish.


I have no idea what Marvin Martin's roots are or could be. He doesn't look French, but Iberian. But he's got a French name.

According to Tel Errant, Martin is half magrebian (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=952908#post952908).

Valbuena: Gracile Mediterranean + Alpinid.
Bodmer: CM (Borreby?) + Atlanto-Nordid.
Ribery: Keltic Nordid.
Lloris: Atlanto-Mediterranean + CM.



Debuchy: Pred Atlantid.
Mathieu: Nordid + CM.
Toulalan: CM + Atlantid.
Jourden: Pred Alpinid/Borreby?
Reveillere: Pred Atlantid.
Landreau: Pred North Atlantid/Nordid, CM influence.



Gameiro: Atlantid/Nordid, CM influence.
Roux: Pred Nordid?
Planus: Pred Gracile Mediterranean? (What's his ethnicity?)
Clerc: Keltic Nordid.
Heurtaux: Atlantid + Alpinid/CM.

[Rouxinol]

If I just go with the ones that are for certain ethnic french with french last names it's mostly nordid-atlantid-med combo but more nordid and atlantid than med. The ones with Iberian last names do look all or partially spanish or portuguese for sure. Marvin Martin looks like a half white half black combo even and the one ethnic guy Philippe Mexes look really odd to me, like he's mixed with something else that's not white, maybe it's just his very bloated face and weird nose.

I think your views are very limited by what has been considered as being "white" in the U.S. by the ruling and mainstream WASP ideology of the country since its very beginning. Drop it. Marvin Martin looks nothing like a mulatto nor black-admixed - he's fully Europid in phenotype. Philippe Méxes does look nothing weird, but rather a type similar to that of Gerard Dépardieu, which is nothing of abnormal. Actually, some of those with Iberian surnames doesn't look that typical Iberian at all, because they are mixed with French. For instance, I bet that Kevin Gameiro's phenotype is much more common in NW Europe than in SW Europe.

[GeistFaust]

That's true, the thing is that people with the slightest swarthiest or archaic traits are immediately seen as Negroid influences by some, especially here in the South. I think its almost like some sort of pathological obsession, neurosis, and paranoia, which I have happened to catch as well. :p

The interesting thing is that when the Irish came over and settled in the census records they would list some of them as colored, because they believed the Irish would immediately start race-mixing as soon as they came over. Of course the English were right in one regard and that was that the "Celtic" component has been responsible for most of the early mixing in America, but it was not simply a "Celtic" affair.

The English generally did not mix as much as they merely reproduced with the slaves for economical reasons, and then they basically disowned them, so these mulattoes tended to mix with other mixed-raced individuals or even darker Negroes, which produced the Griffe race.

[Cristiano viejo]

Ménez is a spanish surname :thumb001:

It makes me laugh that you differences between Spanish and French looks :rolleyes:
And it makes me more laugh still say things like "Although is French seem Spanish", or "Although his surname is Spanish or Portuguese seems to French" :sad:

[Tchek]

(2) Philippe Mexes, a Keltic Nordid with the Cro-Magnid component being very strong (Gerard Dépardieu-like)

I agree with this, he actually looks like his son Guillaume Depardieu.

http://www.sonogiallorosso.com/wp-content/uploads/mex%C3%A8s-bleu.jpg

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/guillaume-depardieu/guillaume-depardieu-20040427-1201.jpg

He belongs to a specific cromogno-subnordid French type: a fair, strong-featured type seen in, for exemple:

Jean Gabin:
http://glabarraque.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/people-jean-gabin-2500326_1341.jpg


José Bové:

http://www.sondages-election.com/images/photos/bove-large.jpg


Jean Marie Le Pen:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/pIC91zVP69U/0.jpg

Very specifically french of a peculiar type (strong featured subnordid, with nordic complexion and dinaro-alpinid features).

[Rouxinol]

Now that you say so, Sub-Nordid seems to be much more fitting to that sort of type, with those dinaridoid influences or tendencies that makes me think of a specific "sub-type" of Keltic Nordid). They are very typically found among the French indeed.

[Tchek]

Yes, Keltic types are much sharper featured than the dinaric type here.

[northspaniard]

Maxime Gonalons sounds Spanish/Catalan. He looks like it, too.

Mathieu Valbuena is confirmed half-Spanish. And maybe half-French.

Hugo Lloris has a Spanish name, but he looks partially French.

I have no idea what Marvin Martin's roots are or could be. He doesn't look French, but Iberian. But he's got a French name.

Excuse me, but some things don't fit for me: Gonyalons is indeed a Catalan name, but which is exactly "the Catalan look" so different from the French one?.
I don't understand either which is the difference between "French look" and "Spanish look" in Hugo Lloris. He's not blond (much more ones in France than in Spain, I mean). Could he not pass for a Spaniard?.
"Martin" is a spanish name too, not only French. But this guy is partially north-african. He doesnt look much Iberian for me.
I mean to clarify these points, for some clichés really beat me. ;)

[Ibericus]

Marvin Martin doesn't look iberian at all.

And lol at Lloris looking "partially french" I mean come on now ! It's ridiculous, how can you even tell that.

[le penalty]

Ménez is a spanish surname :thumb001:

It makes me laugh that you differences between Spanish and French looks :rolleyes:
And it makes me more laugh still say things like "Although is French seem Spanish", or "Although his surname is Spanish or Portuguese seems to French" :sad:

Menez is a breton surname too, very common in finistère ! Many breton surname can sound like italian or spanish !
ex: savina,guena,menez,menes,coatanea,guichaoua,saouza ,danielo,guillermo,guillemotto,faliguerho,caramaro ,cosmao,sioc'han,tomazo,nicolazo ... and many others

[le penalty]

The players I'd pick for France's footy team

http://i49.tinypic.com/24c5btf.jpg

Left to right:

Some of them have foreign names. But those that do are likely partially French by ancestry. That's because France to some extent has had a melting pot with its White Catholic immigrants from Spain, Italy, etc.

Gourcuff and Menez are weird-looking names, but they're Breton. Mickael Landreau is also a Breton.

Maxime Gonalons sounds Spanish/Catalan. He looks like it, too.

Laurent Koscielny is a Polish name. Seems to be entirely Polish. But he's France's best center back...

Mathieu Valbuena is confirmed half-Spanish. And maybe half-French.

Hugo Lloris has a Spanish name, but he looks partially French.

Kevin Gameiro has a Portuguese grandfather. So he could be mostly French.

I have no idea what Marvin Martin's roots are or could be. He doesn't look French, but Iberian. But he's got a French name.

Menez and gourcuff are surnames from finistère. Jeremy toulalan is breton too.