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Sikeliot
07-08-2012, 07:23 PM
http://85.img.v4.skyrock.net/852/driss20067/pics/2582238177_1.jpg

Midori
07-08-2012, 07:24 PM
Depigmented Sicilian.

King Claus
07-08-2012, 07:28 PM
nordo faelid
He is german u should have ereased the text on his yellow shirt

Cynewald
07-08-2012, 08:24 PM
Noric.

dralos
07-08-2012, 08:26 PM
to me he looks albo:D

King Claus
07-08-2012, 08:34 PM
Noric.

yea i agree small dinaric tendency

Pallantides
07-08-2012, 08:35 PM
Looks Slavic.

gold_fenix
07-08-2012, 08:37 PM
one of those uncommon Argelians?

arcticwolf
07-08-2012, 09:00 PM
Portuguese?

Rouxinol
07-08-2012, 10:13 PM
Looks Italian.

Apina
07-08-2012, 10:42 PM
German

Sikeliot
07-09-2012, 05:20 AM
He's Moroccan. A depigmented Berber.

Smaug
07-09-2012, 06:02 AM
Ya jokin'? :eek:
Well, to be honest with you I shouldn't be surprised. I had a friend that I believed was of German-Italian background (I didn't know his surname) and then I discovered he was of Syrian-Lebanese descent. Levantines are interesting...

Sikeliot
07-09-2012, 06:05 AM
Ya jokin'? :eek:
Well, to be honest with you I shouldn't be surprised. I had a friend that I believed was of German-Italian background (I didn't know his surname) and then I discovered he was of Syrian-Lebanese descent. Levantines are interesting...

This guy is Berber.. not a very typical one, though. I was interested to see some of the guesses.

King Claus
07-09-2012, 12:23 PM
This guy is Berber.. not a very typical one, though. I was interested to see some of the guesses.

o yea you got me now!

Linet
07-09-2012, 12:37 PM
Looks Slavic :chin:

Maveric
07-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Looks slavic to me, from Balkans!

Midori
07-09-2012, 01:20 PM
Lol, he doesn't look Slavic in the slightest :coffee:

Rereg
07-09-2012, 02:04 PM
Looks Italian.


to me he looks albo:D


Looks Slavic.


German

:thumb001::rolleyes:

Hilda
07-09-2012, 02:11 PM
The obvious thing is that he doesn't look like an Italian.

Chego
07-09-2012, 02:59 PM
would pass here

Hilda
07-09-2012, 03:01 PM
would pass here

He looks too Slavic or Easterner to me to be an Italian.

Sikeliot
07-09-2012, 03:29 PM
He looks like that blonde Neapolitan soccer player that people keep posting on these forums to me. Not so much Slavic.

Rouxinol
07-09-2012, 03:53 PM
The obvious thing is that he doesn't look like an Italian.

He does have a phenotype that can be usually seen among Italians, Balkan peoples or Austrians.

Rereg
07-09-2012, 04:29 PM
He looks too Slavic or Easterner to me to be an Italian.

He couldn't pass as pure slavic person.

Dilberth
07-09-2012, 04:31 PM
He couldn't pass as pure slavic person.

What do you consider a pure slavic person?

Sikeliot
07-09-2012, 04:33 PM
What do you consider a pure slavic person?

Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Poles.

Czechs and Slovaks have Germanic admixture, and South Slavs are partially Mediterranean.

Übermensch
07-09-2012, 04:36 PM
He could pass for Italian i'd say...

Pallantides
07-09-2012, 04:50 PM
What do you consider a pure slavic person?

East Baltid only I bet, this guy is to Nordoid;)

safinator
07-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Probably a descendant of Vandals.

Smaug
07-09-2012, 05:07 PM
Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Poles.

Czechs and Slovaks have Germanic admixture, and South Slavs are partially Mediterranean.

Russians have Finno-Ugric admix, and Poles also have their amount of Germanic blood.

Midori
07-09-2012, 05:11 PM
Russians have Finno-Ugric admix, and Poles also have their amount of Germanic blood.

They also have Baltic blood. Same goes for Belarusians. No such thing as ''pure'' Slav.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:12 PM
Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Poles.

Czechs and Slovaks have Germanic admixture, and South Slavs are partially Mediterranean.

I agree.

South Slavs are around 29-40% Med autosomally, with a significant Caucasian (or Caucasus-Anatolian) input.

To me the term "Slav" is just a massive generalization.

Nobody uses the term "Romance people"... even though they're genetically closer than East-West Slavs and South Slavs.

Midori
07-09-2012, 05:14 PM
Nobody uses the term "Romance people"... even though they're genetically closer than East-West Slavs and South Slavs.

Not true, Romanians aren't genetically close to Spaniards.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Not true, Romanians aren't genetically close to Spaniards.

Yeah if you exclude them. Which most people do, since they're genetically Balkan.

aimar
07-09-2012, 05:18 PM
edit

Dilberth
07-09-2012, 05:19 PM
South Slavs are diverse people genetically,you can't lump them in the same box.

Smaug
07-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Yeah if you exclude them. Which most people do, since they're genetically Balkan.

Romanians are Slavs speaking Latin.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:25 PM
Romanians are Slavs speaking Latin.

*Sigh*

"Slav" is meaningless. Deal with it.

The Proto-Slavs were heterogeneous. Cucuteni-Trypillians mixed with PIE's (Baltic, Slavic and Iranic) who often allied with and absorbed Turkic tribes like Avars, Bulgars, etc.

I wish people would stop using the phrase "He/She looks Slavic".
The fuck does that mean?
They look Baltid? Dinaric? Med? Noric? Armenoid? Pontid? Nordid?

Midori
07-09-2012, 05:26 PM
Romanians are Slavs speaking Latin.

They get offended if you call them Slavs :coffee:

Smaug
07-09-2012, 05:30 PM
They get offended if you call them Slavs :coffee:

:icon_ask: Hmmm

I didn't know that. Sorry Romanian brothers!

dralos
07-09-2012, 05:31 PM
i think he looks more albanian than slavic due to his dinarid influences

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:31 PM
They get offended if you call them Slavs :coffee:

It's the Balkans. They're offended first thing in the morning.

Midori
07-09-2012, 05:32 PM
i think he looks more albanian than slavic due to his dinarid influences

Yugoslavs are possibly even more Dinarid than Albanians :rolleyes: But he doesn't look Balkan.

Prince Carlo
07-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Coon's wet dream.

dralos
07-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Yugoslavs are possibly even more Dinarid than Albanians :rolleyes: But he doesn't look Balkan.
i dont think so,we're more dinarid in general

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:35 PM
i dont think so,we're more dinarid in general

Don't think so Dralos. The Dinaric Alps is home to the tallest and most brachycephalic people in Europe.

dralos
07-09-2012, 05:36 PM
Don't think so Dralos. The Dinaric Alps is home to the tallest and most brachycephalic people in Europe.
yes and northalbanians were described as the most dinarid people on earth

Midori
07-09-2012, 05:37 PM
Don't think so Dralos. The Dinaric Alps is home to the tallest and most brachycephalic people in Europe.

I think Bosnians are the most Dinarid people in the world.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:38 PM
yes and northalbanians were described as the most dinarid people on earth

Yeah but they just barely scratch the Dinaric Alps. Dalmatians, Herzegovinians and Montenegrins are the Dinarics proper. Everyone else is just Dinaricized to varying degrees.

dralos
07-09-2012, 05:40 PM
Yeah but they just barely scratch the Dinaric Alps. Dalmatians, Herzegovinians and Montenegrins are the Dinarics proper. Everyone else is just Dinaricized to varying degrees.
dalmatians and herzegovinians are different dinarids than the montenegrin and albanian dinarids
croats also agree about this

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 05:41 PM
I think Bosnians are the most Dinarid people in the world.

Vrh would definitely agree with you on that one.

But personally I see only Herzegovinians as pure Dinarics. The rest of Bosnia is a mish-mash of phenotypes from Nordid to East Med and everything in between.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 05:53 PM
Vrh would definitely agree with you on that one.

But personally I see only Herzegovinians as pure Dinarics. The rest of Bosnia is a mish-mash of phenotypes from Nordid to East Med and everything in between.

Which Herzegovinians, western or eastern?
What do you mean by Dinarics anyway? Dinaricized people or something else?

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:05 PM
Which Herzegovinians, western or eastern?
What do you mean by Dinarics anyway? Dinaricized people or something else?

The hyper-brachycephalic, unusually tall people common to Herzegovina, Dalmata and Montenegro. That's the epigenesis of it. And the rest of the "Dinaric Belt" is Dinaricized to varying degrees.

Someone on Eupedia summed it up well for me by basically saying Dinaric highlanders are predominantly Slavicized Paleolithic autochthons, the former bearers of the Gravettian culture.

Dinarics are the "cleanest" descendants of those Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who found a refuge around the Adriatic Sea in the end of the last ice age. This is obvious from the fact that the area with the most dense presence of the "Dinaric race" has the highest percentage of Y-haplogroup I.

The Paleolithic Continuity Theory fits in with this very well.

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:07 PM
The hyper-brachycephalic, unusually tall people common to Herzegovina, Dalmata and Montenegro. That's the epigenesis of it. And the rest of the "Dinaric Belt" is Dinaricized to varying degrees.

Someone on Eupedia summed it up well for me by basically saying Dinaric highlanders are predominantly Slavicized Paleolithic autochthons, the former bearers of the Gravettian culture.

Dinarics are the "cleanest" descendants of those Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who found a refuge around the Adriatic Sea in the end of the last ice age. This is obvious from the fact that the area with the most dense presence of the "Dinaric race" has the highest percentage of Y-haplogroup I.

The Paleolithic Continuity Theory fits in with this very well.
Nope, actually CM and Balkan Borreby explains your theory.
CM and Dinarids are both tall but the former is more robust.

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:13 PM
to me he looks albo:D



He's Moroccan. A depigmented Berber.

Ouch!

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:13 PM
Nope, actually CM and Balkan Borreby explains your theory.
CM and Dinarids are both tall but the former is more robust.

Nah that's just Albanian-Illyrian nonsense.

I don't discount your Illyrian origins out of hand, even though evidence is highly lacking, but given the presence of EV-13, it kind of rules you guys out as being here since the UP.

The Illyrians are hard to tie to being a survivor population from the LGM.

And moreover, the Dinaric type is not that common in Albania aside from Kosovo/North Albania.

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:16 PM
The hyper-brachycephalic, unusually tall people common to Herzegovina, Dalmata and Montenegro. That's the epigenesis of it. And the rest of the "Dinaric Belt" is Dinaricized to varying degrees.

Someone on Eupedia summed it up well for me by basically saying Dinaric highlanders are predominantly Slavicized Paleolithic autochthons, the former bearers of the Gravettian culture.

Dinarics are the "cleanest" descendants of those Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who found a refuge around the Adriatic Sea in the end of the last ice age. This is obvious from the fact that the area with the most dense presence of the "Dinaric race" has the highest percentage of Y-haplogroup I.

The Paleolithic Continuity Theory fits in with this very well.

LOL at autochthonous Paleolithic.There is no Paleolithic European.That is far fetched and pseudo-science.We can only argue about Mesolithic European ancestry but there is no Mesolithic European whose Y-DNA has been tested moreover I2 has only been found on Neolithic sites.

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:17 PM
Nah that's just Albanian-Illyrian nonsense.

I don't discount your Illyrian origins out of hand, even though evidence is highly lacking, but given the presence of EV-13, it kind of rules you guys out as being here since the UP.

The Illyrians are hard to tie to being a survivor population from the LGM.

And moreover, the Dinaric type is not that common in Albania aside from Kosovo/North Albania.
Lol, you've no idea what you're talking about.
It's almost accepted that haplogroup I carriers were CM to varying degrees(Hunter Gatherers) so the Dinaric isn't connected to HG I.
And I2aIb(Former I2a2) in Balkans appeared with Slavic migrations so after E-V13.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:20 PM
LOL at autochthonous Paleolithic.There is no Paleolithic European.That is far fetched and pseudo-science.

It's universally agreed that Hg I entered Europe first.

They're not Paleolithic per se, they're the most unreduced types.

It does give an explanation as to why they are so tall. Since they adopted farming very late and lived primarily on a diet of meat.

The Romans ate grains and fish and remarked about the height of "Barbarians" who ate nothing but meat/milk/animal by-products.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Lol, you've no idea what you're talking about.
It's almost accepted that haplogroup I carriers were CM to varying degrees(Hunter Gatherers) so the Dinaric isn't connected to HG I.
And I2a2 in Balkans appeared with Slavic migrations so after E-V13.

So you really think Dinarics are more common in Albania?

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:22 PM
The hyper-brachycephalic, unusually tall people common to Herzegovina, Dalmata and Montenegro. That's the epigenesis of it. And the rest of the "Dinaric Belt" is Dinaricized to varying degrees.

Someone on Eupedia summed it up well for me by basically saying Dinaric highlanders are predominantly Slavicized Paleolithic autochthons, the former bearers of the Gravettian culture.

Dinarics are the "cleanest" descendants of those Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who found a refuge around the Adriatic Sea in the end of the last ice age. This is obvious from the fact that the area with the most dense presence of the "Dinaric race" has the highest percentage of Y-haplogroup I.

The Paleolithic Continuity Theory fits in with this very well.

Gravettian culture is tens of thousands years old. What do you mean by Slavicized? We can not talk about Slavs at all when dealing with this time period.
So according to you if they are Slavicized when exactly did they arrive near Adriatic sea?

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:24 PM
So you really think Dinarics are more common in Albania?
If we consider Albania as a whole nope because Tosks aren't very Dinarid and that's funny if we follow your theory because they've much more I than Ghegs.
If we consider Kosovar Albanian that are basically Ghegs then yes and it's not me that says this but Carletoon Coon that wrote a book about Northern Albanians.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:25 PM
So according to you if they are Slavicized when exactly did they arrive near Adriatic sea?

Obviously they underwent continual acculturation processes over the centuries, I say "Slavicized" because that was the last dominant influence.

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:26 PM
It's universally agreed that Hg I entered Europe first.

They're not Paleolithic per se, they're the most unreduced types.

It does give an explanation as to why they are so tall. Since they adopted farming very late and lived primarily on a diet of meat.

The Romans ate grains and fish and remarked about the height of "Barbarians" who ate nothing but meat/milk/animal by-products.

Haplogroup I entered Europe at an early date and is one of the oldest European haplogroups i tend to wholeheartly agree.But the first one who entered Europe?We don't know that it could well be a Neolithic marker and any claim is just a wild guess.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:28 PM
Obviously they underwent continual acculturation processes over the centuries, I say "Slavicized" because that was the last dominant influence.

I ask again when did they come near Adriatic sea? If that has any truth at all I am sure that many researchers would support this and you would give me the answer right away

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:28 PM
but Carletoon Coon that wrote a book about Northern Albanians.

Yeah well no offence to Coon or this forum but we have kind of disproved a good amount of his assertions.

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:31 PM
Yeah well no offence to Coon or this forum but we have kind of disproved a good amount of his assertions.
Maybe you can disprove his theories about light haired riffians ecc...
But not in the case of Albanians since he actually studied them with accuracy.

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:32 PM
If we consider Albania as a whole nope because Tosks aren't very Dinarid and that's funny if we follow your theory because they've much more I than Ghegs.
If we consider Kosovar Albanian that are basically Ghegs then yes and it's not me that says this but Carletoon Coon that wrote a book about Northern Albanians.

That is quite obvious to me.The term Dinarid is outdated and has no meaning.You can freelly call it a process/adaptation to highlands and Gheg Albanians as Dinaricized Meds also Southern CM-ids.

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:36 PM
That is quite obvious to me.The term Dinarid is outdated and has no meaning.You can freelly call it a process/adaptation to highlands and Gheg Albanians as Dinaricized Meds also Southern CM-ids.
What's outdated?
Genetics is more accurate but physical anthropology is still relevant in my book, we're talking about subraces here and there's no Genetic study that can change that.

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:36 PM
I ask again when did they come near Adriatic sea? If that has any truth at all I am sure that many researchers would support this and you would give me the answer right away

The Slavs never came near the Adriatic, only their language did.
The same way the Indo-Iranians who were R1a1 didn't actually make a home for themselves in Iran, which is quite lacking in R1a1, but they still speak an IE language.

Many people do indeed support the Paleolithic Continuity Theory, and the Balkan LGM refuge survivors expanding from the West Balkans to the rest of Europe fits in well.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:38 PM
The Slavs never came near the Adriatic, only their language did.
The same way the Indo-Iranians who were R1a1 didn't actually make a home for themselves in Iran, which is quite lacking in R1a1, but they still speak an IE language.

Many people do indeed support the Paleolithic Continuity Theory, and the Balkan LGM refuge survivors expanding from the West Balkans to the rest of Europe fits in well.

:lmao

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:42 PM
What's outdated?
Genetics is more accurate but physical anthropology is still relevant in my book, we're talking about subraces here and there's no Genetic study that can change that.

You mentioned well:your book.

We are too mixed people so we can determine or group ourself according to physical anthropology because it doesn't grasp thousands of other details.Autosomal DNA does that quite good and we can precisely map individuals and groups.:)

In my humble opinion it is a waste of time if you take it seriously and in detail.

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:45 PM
You mentioned well:your book.

We are too mixed people so we can determine or group ourself according to physical anthropology because it doesn't grasp thousands of other details.Autosomal DNA does that quite good and we can precisely map individuals and groups.:)

In my humble opinion it is a waste of time if you take it seriously and in detail.
Now seriously if you disagree with Physical Anthropology why are you on this discussion?
Autosomal is the bigger picture but i don't understand the vehemently anti Taxonomy crusade.
Two brothers despite having the same autosomal dna can look very different, enough saying.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:48 PM
Now seriously if you disagree with Physical Anthropology why are you on this discussion?
Autosomal is the bigger picture but i don't understand the vehemently anti Taxonomy crusade.
Two brothers despite having the same autosomal dna can look very different, enough saying.

That is the very reason why it sucks LOOOOOTROLOLOL

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:50 PM
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That is the very reason why it sucks LOOOOOTROLOLOL
Sucks in what exactly? Just means more components are at process and inherited on forming the looks, something that Autosomal DNA can't grasp apparently :)

Optimus
07-09-2012, 06:50 PM
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That is the very reason why it sucks LOOOOOTROLOLOL

Indeed,i am against into too much crazy phenotype specifications,but i tend to agree that there is regional look.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:51 PM
Sucks in what exactly? Just means more components are at process and inherited on forming the looks, something that Autosomal DNA can't grasp apparently :)

:lmao

safinator
07-09-2012, 06:53 PM
:lmao
I'll take your emoticons as losing the argument.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 06:54 PM
I'll take your emoticons as losing the argument.

:lmao

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 06:56 PM
Molecular anthropology rather supports these racial typologies, because every distinct physical type developed due to a founder effect and long isolation.

Otherwise this forum wouldn't exist if there was no real geographic correlation with a particular phenotype.

Imo, certain Balkan posters on here don't like the implications of this because it destroys their Nordicist/Whateverist theories.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 07:01 PM
Molecular anthropology rather supports these racial typologies, because every distinct physical type developed due to a founder effect and long isolation.

Otherwise this forum wouldn't exist if there was no real geographic correlation with a particular phenotype.

Imo, certain Balkan posters on here don't like the implications of this because it destroys their Nordicist/Whateverist theories.

Where ( when ) do you people live?

Pallantides with his admixture should have white eyes and hair

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 07:03 PM
Where ( when ) do you people live?

Pallantides with his admixture should have white eyes and hair

Read the last senence in the first paragraph since you think that all racial types are backed by data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race

Gospodine
07-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Read the last senence in the first paragraph since you think that all racial types are backed by data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinaric_race

Yeah okay man, unsourced line from Wikipedia = End of debate.

Insuperable
07-09-2012, 07:09 PM
Yeah okay man, unsourced line from Wikipedia = End of debate.

Find me a source besides forums and amateur sites where this typologies are studied. Modern physical ( biological ) anthropology book source would be nice.

Optimus
07-09-2012, 07:11 PM
Molecular anthropology rather supports these racial typologies, because every distinct physical type developed due to a founder effect and long isolation.

Otherwise this forum wouldn't exist if there was no real geographic correlation with a particular phenotype.

Imo, certain Balkan posters on here don't like the implications of this because it destroys their Nordicist/Whateverist theories.

Ironically most of Nordicists are obsessed with physical anthropology.

Also neither me or Solin are Nordicists.Hell,i don't give a crap about it.It seems to be a taboo lately here to use the Nordicist card.

And please quote me a late study where molecular anthropology supports physical anthropology.

Dilberth
07-09-2012, 07:16 PM
The Slavs never came near the Adriatic, only their language did.
The same way the Indo-Iranians who were R1a1 didn't actually make a home for themselves in Iran, which is quite lacking in R1a1, but they still speak an IE language.

Many people do indeed support the Paleolithic Continuity Theory, and the Balkan LGM refuge survivors expanding from the West Balkans to the rest of Europe fits in well.

R1a isn't lacking on Adriatic,its 36% on Krk(Croatia's northernmost island) and about the same in surrounding areas.

Pallantides
07-09-2012, 08:22 PM
Pallantides with his admixture should have white eyes and hair

http://images.wikia.com/gameofthrones/images/9/92/Whitewalker.jpg

Rereg
07-11-2012, 08:52 PM
They also have Baltic blood. Same goes for Belarusians. No such thing as ''pure'' Slav.

Pretty yes but Yugos or Bulgarians have much more non-slavic admixtures than for example Russians or Czechs.

Dilberth
07-12-2012, 05:27 PM
Pretty yes but Yugos or Bulgarians have much more non-slavic admixtures than for example Russians or Czechs.

Depends what South Slavs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/R1A_map.jpg

You can't lump us all in the same box.

Midori
07-12-2012, 05:39 PM
Depends what South Slavs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/R1A_map.jpg

You can't lump us all in the same box.

So according to this map, Macedonians have more Slavic admixture than Bulgarians, and Croats are the ''most Slavic'' South Slavs.

Archduke
07-12-2012, 06:15 PM
Depends what South Slavs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/R1A_map.jpg

You can't lump us all in the same box.

this map is the biggest crap ever.

member
07-12-2012, 06:26 PM
What do you consider a pure slavic person?


Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Poles.

Czechs and Slovaks have Germanic admixture, and South Slavs are partially Mediterranean.

BS.

Pallantides
07-12-2012, 06:28 PM
this map is the biggest crap ever.

How is it crap?

It's just the frequency of Y-DNA haplogroup R1a.

Rereg
07-12-2012, 06:29 PM
BS.

Triton has partially true because Pl, Rus, Belrus and Ukr have less non-slavic admixtures than south-slavs.

Gospodine
07-12-2012, 06:34 PM
Depends what South Slavs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/R1A_map.jpg

Hahaha. Oplako brate.
Hrvatske Sanje.

See the Wiki talk page for that user-created map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_talk:R1A_map.jpg

The guy just sourced other Y-DNA maps he found on Google. A lot of them have no relation to his percentages.

Archduke
07-12-2012, 06:36 PM
How is it crap?

It's just the frequency of Y-DNA haplogroup R1a.

but it doesn't show how slavic euro countries are.

Gospodine
07-12-2012, 06:36 PM
BS.

Autosomally the Balkan states are between 28-45% Med. Bosnia for instance is 31%, Bulgaria is 33%, Greece is 44%.

member
07-12-2012, 06:43 PM
Triton has partially true because Pl, Rus, Belrus and Ukr have less non-slavic admixtures than south-slavs.

Russians and especially Belarussians have a considerable amount of Baltic ancestries. Actually it would be even more correct to say that part of Belarussians have a Slavic admixture.
Not to mention that Russians have FU and other admixtures.

I don't really know where this misconception comes from as the areal of Baltic inhabited territories (by hydronyms and arcehology) has been known and widely accepted for some time now (so nobody can say it's Lithuanians or Latvians who invented it, I'm talking about both Slavic, Baltic and other scientists who not only recognized but also actively researched). Genetic studies only confirm and correct it.

I guess it's either because a) people aren't interested and as a result know practically little to nothing about it, b) they aren't interested in objectivity but pushing through their own views.

P.S. I feel people are very misinformed about it and it's plain helpless to go around telling people this on this forum, but sometimes I can't help myself to explain obvious things. Sorry.

Anthropologique
07-12-2012, 06:48 PM
This guy is Berber.. not a very typical one, though. I was interested to see some of the guesses.

Probably descends from one of the original Berber tribes that practiced endogamy, although he could have some European ancestry.

Insuperable
07-12-2012, 06:59 PM
Autosomally the Balkan states are between 28-45% Med. Bosnia for instance is 31%, Bulgaria is 33%, Greece is 44%.

Your data obviously came from here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkbFGFGkvhh9dF9Va3ZpU3VnRVBTb1ZJckJBYWhGc mc&output=html

So since Croatia is 23% Med thank you for thinking that Croatia is not a Balkan country:laugh:

Dilberth
07-12-2012, 07:05 PM
What can I say?Haters gonna hate.

Gospodine
07-12-2012, 07:12 PM
What can I say?Haters gonna hate.

We're a couple of percentage points apart, what have I got to be jealous of?

Your map is bogus. That's all I'm pointing out.

Insuperable
07-12-2012, 07:16 PM
We're a couple of percentage points apart, what have I got to be jealous of?

Your map is bogus. That's all I'm pointing out.

Why is it bogus? Croats are 30-35% ( except in that sample but still around 30%) R1a and others in the south are 15% on average.

Rereg
07-12-2012, 07:17 PM
Russians and especially Belarussians have a considerable amount of Baltic ancestries. Actually it would be even more correct to say that part of Belarussians have a Slavic admixture.
Not to mention that Russians have FU and other admixtures.

This is absolutely bullshit created by Samogitian/Latvian chauvinists, according to modern genetic study Russians and Belarussians are far closer to Ukrainians than to modern Lithuanians or Latvians. The only similarite between Balts and Russians is Finno-Ugrian admixture but Balts have far more Finno-Ugrian influences than Russians.



I don't really know where this misconception comes from as the areal of Baltic inhabited territories (by hydronyms and arcehology)

Balts and Slavs had one ethnogenesis thousands years ago so it's natural that some areas were common for those ethnic groups. So more appropriate term is "Balto-Slavic inhabited territories".

Gospodine
07-12-2012, 07:20 PM
You mean because it does not link South Slavs with other Slavs or...?:laugh:
It is something which goes against your "native" thinking

No because it was made some 16 year old anon on Wikipedia who slapped together a bunch of different maps from god knows where.

It's really cute how everything in the Balkans has to be nationally-inclined and biased, like it is in your retarded world, but for those us leading normal lives and actually not judging people right off the bat due to their ethnic background... it's just not.

You project so much you need to open your own fucking cinema. Stop assuming everyone is as ethnically/nationally-sensitive and obsessed as you are.

Insuperable
07-12-2012, 07:23 PM
No because it was made some 16 year old anon on Wikipedia who slapped together a bunch of different maps from god knows where.

It's really cute how everything in the Balkans has to be nationally-inclined and biased, like it is in your retarded world, but for those us leading normal lives and actually not judging people right off the bat due to their ethnic background... it's just not.

You project so much you need to open your own fucking cinema. Stop assuming everyone is as ethnically/nationally-sensitive and obsessed as you are.

Read again what I rewrote. It shows R1a frequeny levels. They seem accurate.
In any case I do not know wtf are you talking about

Dilberth
07-12-2012, 07:24 PM
931 posts in 2 weeks?Man you need to get laid.

Insuperable
07-12-2012, 07:24 PM
No because it was made some 16 year old anon on Wikipedia who slapped together a bunch of different maps from god knows where.

It's really cute how everything in the Balkans has to be nationally-inclined and biased, like it is in your retarded world, but for those us leading normal lives and actually not judging people right off the bat due to their ethnic background... it's just not.

You project so much you need to open your own fucking cinema. Stop assuming everyone is as ethnically/nationally-sensitive and obsessed as you are.

And I am obsessed about what actually?
It is you who is obsessed since your theories go against those which are firmly established,
You wrote med component percentages for some countries from a spreadsheet which also shows R1a frequency levels which go nicely with a map Dilberth posted. So how can one be false and other true?

British-Wolf
07-12-2012, 11:37 PM
Looks Slavic.

this. East nordid. Slavic looking

member
07-13-2012, 09:37 AM
Dear, rereg I don't understand why trolls like aren't banned. I guess this just prooves the level of this forum.

Artek
07-13-2012, 09:51 AM
this. East nordid. Slavic looking
He doesn't look Eastnordid proper , Eastnordids approach with their look Keltic types. I would say that this guy looks Balkanoid, not generally Slavic. He could be atypical in Poland.

Rereg
07-13-2012, 09:51 AM
Dear, rereg I don't understand why trolls like aren't banned. I guess this just prooves the level of this forum.

TA isn't private farm of baltic chauvinists and you must accept this fact. :rolleyes:

Mordid
07-16-2012, 11:57 AM
Russians and especially Belarussians have a considerable amount of Baltic ancestries. Actually it would be even more correct to say that part of Belarussians have a Slavic admixture.
Not to mention that Russians have FU and other admixtures.

Just like Poles have Germanic influences.

Mordid
07-16-2012, 12:04 PM
They also have Baltic blood. Same goes for Belarusians. No such thing as ''pure'' Slav.
The Baltic blood in Poles is pretty small, while the Baltic blood in Belarusians is somewhat higher, but they are mostly Slavic.

Mordid
07-16-2012, 12:09 PM
Particula's wet dream.
Fixed.

Foxy
07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Question: what should we do with these subjects who look europoid but are not if they converted to our religion and lifestyle? Accept them or refuse them?

Mordid
07-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Question: what should we do with these subjects who look europoid but are not if they converted to our religion and lifestyle? Accept them or refuse them?
Don't ask me, ask Hess. :laugh:

Leon_C
03-02-2013, 11:35 PM
He looks like a depigmented Dinarid I suppose and the light pigmentation gives him a pseudo Nordid look

Loki
03-03-2013, 12:12 AM
I didn't read the whole thread but he looks Polish to me.

riverman
03-03-2013, 01:08 AM
I'm going to take the guesses in a different direction and guess English.

Leon_C
03-23-2013, 01:52 AM
I'm going to take the guesses in a different direction and guess English.

believe it or not there are people who look like him in England :D

Peikko
03-23-2013, 01:58 AM
Very much Italian looking.

quaquaraqua
03-24-2013, 01:37 PM
His looking is balkanic. He resembles matyjas Smodis a slovenian basketball player. He could pass in Italy, A friend of mine looks like him!

Sikeliot
03-24-2013, 03:48 PM
He's a depigmented Riffian Berber.