Is Bosnia capable to defend it self in case of new agression from it's neighbours

[dado]

I am going to post some facts and numbers about bosnian army and then neighboring armies




first some facts about armed forces of BiH

Active personnel 16,000

Reserve personnel 6,000

Budget $470 million (2007 est.)

[dado]

heavy armor and tanks

TOTAL............................................3 08

M-84..............................................71

http://stef124.tripod.com/m84-116a.jpg

AMX-30..........................................50

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/AMX-30/AMX-30_02.jpg

M-60A3...........................................45

http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/tear/m60a3.jpg

T55............................................... ..142

http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t55.jpg

[Methmatician]

To answer your question: unlikely.

[Szegedist]

Dado, war is not a video game. You can't win it based on simple statistics.


Remember that Bosnia and Herceg is Multiethnic.

Say Croatia and Serbia try to partition Bosnia, what is the likelihood of Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs of fighting in the name of BiH?

[Hurrem sultana]

We would need help from islamic world,iran helped us the most last war so my hopes go to ahmedinejad :D

[Szegedist]

We would need help from islamic world,iran helped us the most last war so my hopes go to ahmedinejad :D



Though probably not much help, I personally would support Hungary taking Bosnia's side. Not for humanitarian reasons ofc but it would be a caucus belli for some of our other plans, and it is what we should have done in the 90s. And I know that I am not the only one who believes this.

[dado]

Light armored vehicles

TOTAL............................241


AMX-10p........................25

http://www.s164039981.onlinehome.fr/photos/materiels/AMX-10P_FORAD.JPG

BTR-50PK......................?

BVP-M80..........................103

http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/2705_45353173_BVP%20M-80A1%20-%20levi%20bok.JPG

M113A2.............................79

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/35265m113a2desert_ver/desert_ver_top.jpg

OT M60..............................29

dozen of other different vehicles

[Hurrem sultana]

Though probably not much help, I personally would support Hungary taking Bosnia's side. Not for humanitarian reasons ofc but it would be a caucus belli for some of our other plans, and it is what we should have done in the 90s. And I know that I am not the only one who believes this.

well if i have to choose between hungary and iran i choose iran,knowing they are much more powrefull miltary speaking

they did help us really much,its a known fact

[Lena]

I am going to post some facts and numbers about bosnian army and then neighboring armies
Do we need to be disciplined and wait until you post all of it ,or we can reply right now, Dado?

[dado]

Wheeled armored vehicles


BOV-M86-----------------14

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/BOV_BSD.jpg/250px-BOV_BSD.jpg

BOV-M----------------------8

http://oklop3.tripod.com/bov86/bov-1.JPG

BTR-70---------------------3

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R1Gu-RepWXg/T28ZNQpfDvI/AAAAAAAAAQo/YrZSA9QxQlw/s1600/BTR-70_03.jpg


Humvee..........................25

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Humvee_in_difficult_terrain.jpg/300px-Humvee_in_difficult_terrain.jpg

BOV-2 30mm................76
BOV-2 20mm................3


TOTAl-------------------------129

[Szegedist]

well if i have to choose between hungary and iran i choose iran,knowing they are much more powrefull miltary speaking

they did help us really much,its a known fact

Who says both can't help you lol.

[dado]

Do we need to be disciplined and wait until you post all of it ,or we can reply right now, Dado?

well i see some of u dont have patients to see strength of our armed foces or strength of opponents and already made some conclusions

[Szegedist]

Dado, just post the figures, pictures make it difficult to sort through and compare. We all know what military equipment looks like.

[Hurrem sultana]

Who says both can't help you lol.

I am all for it :D

[Mraz]

Damn dado you're clear as water, you're gonna post Albanian army or something :P

[Lena]

well i see some of u dont have patients to see strength of our armed foces or strength of opponents and already made some conclusions

I can be inpatient sometimes, but I'm disciplined. Pls, proceed :icon_smile:

[dado]

Surface to air missile


SA2 GUIDLINE......................?

http://images.military.com/EQGpics/EQG_sa2_1.jpg


SA13 Gaskin..........................1

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j9dtXfSSrRw/TMeMw6AAUJI/AAAAAAAAAz4/G4Y3gfCuEI8/s1600/sa-13.jpg

SA9--------------------------------6

http://www.ausairpower.net/PVO-SV/ZRS-9K33-SA-9-Gaskin-2S.jpg

SA6--------------------------------20

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-6-990527-J-0000K-002.jpg

[dado]

Multiple launch rockets


TOTAL--------------143+


BM21---------------.1

http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/11/46/94/48/bm-21_10.jpg

RM70---------------?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/RM_70_MRL.jpg

M77 fire.................20

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/M77_Oganj_1.jpg

Type 63 77mm.......28

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AOYF98wKsCg/TzuRmEnOC4I/AAAAAAAABgU/WrW9_OyW-V4/s1600/type-63-mlrs.jpg

APRA 122mm........36

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/larom.jpg

M63 128mm...........23

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5245/5323459823_ea4bd40c20.jpg

M91 128mm...........35

[Guapo]

Bosnia?

[Hoca]

No, not by herself but there is NATO and there is Turkey who sees herself as the protector of Muslims in the Balkan but I don't think there will be a conflict again.

[Insuperable]

Čije je to oružje? Srpsko?

Kako se ovaj dado sramoti. Stavlja slike fakulteta i ostalih javnih ustanova i vojnu opremu koji i najbjednije zemlje imaju.
Da zna šta zapadni svijet poklopio se odmah.

[Guapo]

No, not by herself but there is NATO and there is Turkey who sees herself as the protector of Muslims in the Balkan but I don't think there will be a conflict again.

Mashallah, may the Turks be protectors of Balkan Muslims, especially albanians.

[dado]

Portable air defense missile

SA 14 gremlin...........?
SA 16 gremlin...........?


Artillery

TOTAL...................718

towed howitzer
L118 105mm.............36

http://www.zimbabwedefence.com/sitebuilder/images/105mm_Light_Gun_b_1_-751x384.jpg

M56 105mm..............101

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Tanks_in_France/frejus/images/M56%20Howitzer%20105mm%20-%20Towed%20Frejus%203.JPG

M2A1..........................24

http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/ordnance/C1howitzer.jpg

D30 122m...................258

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1170742-122_mm_howitzer_d_30.jpg

D20 152mm.................13

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3247/3507992128_9dde4273b8_z.jpg?zz=1

M84 152mm..................15

http://weaponsystems.net/image.php/M84.jpg?&size=overview&cropratio=665:300&image=/img/ws/ar_th_m84_o1.jpg

M1 155mm.....................78

M114A2 155mm..........................119

M46....................................61

M82....................................13



howitzer

2S1....................24

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s1_gvosdika.jpg

Total .....24

[Hoca]

Mashallah, may the Turks be protectors of Balkan Muslims, especially albanians.

No, not Albanians. You can do whatever you want with them. Even if Erdogan joined this forum he would have the same opinion. xD

By the way, are you Serb?

[Guapo]

No, not Albanians. You can do whatever you want with them. Even if Erdogan joined this forum he would have the same opinion. xD

By the way, are you Serb?

Muslim Serb. I am Muslim but know my roots and I am proud of being Slavo-Serbian.

[dado]

Helicopters

TOTAL...................25

Mi 8...............5

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi8t/images/mi8t-3.jpg

Mi 17.............3

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Mi-17_of_SAF.jpg

UH 1H.............14

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/6/5/0738569.jpg

Soko gazela gama.......4

http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/111781_94440937_Gazelle_SA342M.jpg

Mi 34.............................1

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/0/1/1409102.jpg

[dado]

Sagger 9k111.....................736

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vC-wzUvRIuE/TYXbrAy6DoI/AAAAAAAAD6s/3E4h4tKbwWU/s1600/vaguc.jpg

MILAN................................5

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/europe/france/weapons/milan_adt-er/Milan_adt-er_medium_range_weapon_system_anti-tank_missile_MBDA_France_French_640.jpg

Spigot............................75

M80 rocket launcher.....?

M79 Osa ........................?

[dado]

LIGHT AND HEAVY WEAPONS

Mortar
m74 120mm.........22
m75 120mm.........399
m52 120mm.........13
m69 81mm............81


Total......................515

canons

M-40A1 106mm............30
M-18 57mm...................30
M-20 75mm...................3

Total .....63

Antiaircraft guns

20mm...............479
23mm...............30
30mm...............96
40mm...............47
zsu57................7

Total..................653

[dado]

Čije je to oružje? Srpsko?

Kako se ovaj dado sramoti. Stavlja slike fakulteta i ostalih javnih ustanova i vojnu opremu koji i najbjednije zemlje imaju.
Da zna šta zapadni svijet poklopio se odmah.

koga zaboli kurac šta zapadni svijet ima...bitno je šta naši neprijatelji ujkeci imaju....i srbi naravno...i dali smo dovoljno jaki da im se suprotstavimo

[Loki]

We would need help from islamic world,iran helped us the most last war so my hopes go to ahmedinejad :D

Oh come on. Iran didn't do squat do stop the Bosnian war. You can thank Western Europe for it, and they will likely come to your rescue again - not the Muslim world (they are too far away, too weak and won't fight war on European soil).

[dado]

Serbian Armed Forces

Active personnel 37,000

Budget EUR 675 million (2011)

[dado]

Serbian military hardware

http://i.imgur.com/QKj3uss.png

http://i.imgur.com/WbFofGI.png

http://i.imgur.com/klI7khe.png

[Hurrem sultana]

Oh come on. Iran didn't do squat do stop the Bosnian war. You can thank Western Europe for it, and they will likely come to your rescue again - not the Muslim world (they are too far away, too weak and won't fight war on European soil).

Take a look at the embargo on bosnians only iranians went against it and sent us help

of course the west has political power,but if you are without anything,and expect help from west then you are bad out there

West is like a mean step mother

[Guapo]

Take a look at the embargo on bosnians only iranians went against it and sent us help

of course the west has political power,but if you are without anything,and expect help from west then you are bad out there

West is like a mean step mother

Only albanians have help from the west. Allah only knows why, they're ugly and stupid as sin.

[dado]

Military of Croatia


Active personnel 18,600
Reserve personnel 21,000


Budget 675 millionUSD(2009)


military hardware

http://i.imgur.com/8gPmaq2.png

http://i.imgur.com/iTOkDSC.png

http://i.imgur.com/zo8eIPi.png

[Hurrem sultana]

Only albanians have help from the west. Allah only knows why, they're ugly and stupid as sin.

It was in the american interest to have a free Kosovo,they did not do it for their love for albanians

[Grizzly]

Oh come on. Iran didn't do squat do stop the Bosnian war. You can thank Western Europe for it, and they will likely come to your rescue again - not the Muslim world (they are too far away, too weak and won't fight war on European soil).

Yea, pretty much this. If it wasn't for US intervention Bosnia would cease to be a state today.

The mujaheddin that were imported were a bunch of boneheads anyway(kinda like Dado)

[Hurrem sultana]

Yea, pretty much this. If it wasn't for US intervention Bosnia would cease to be a state today.

The mujaheddin that were imported were a bunch of boneheads anyway(kinda like Dado)

Yes exactly thats why they put an embargo on us,and first when we started doing wel(in other words were close to get Banja Luka under our hands)l they came and said "hey lets stop this" :S

[dado]

looking just numbers...croatia is not threat to us...but serbia is still dominant

[Guapo]

It was in the american interest to have a free Kosovo,they did not do it for their love for albanians

Nobody loves the filth called albanians. It's called "Wag the dog", distracting the electorate from Clinton's sex scandal.


looking just numbers...croatia is not threat to us...but serbia is still dominant

Croatia can't win a war against Andorra without Nato's help like they did in Operation Storm.

[Grizzly]

It was in the american interest to have a free Kosovo,they did not do it for their love for albanians

Why is that exactly? Kosovo, Serbia nor Albania aren't major players in the world or the region.

[Hurrem sultana]

Why is that exactly? Kosovo, Serbia nor Albania aren't major players in the world or the region.

they need a loyal dog in Balkans

[Guapo]

they need a loyal dog in Balkans

Uranium and a large base in the Balkans near the Middle East.

[Grizzly]

they need a loyal dog in Balkans

Lulz, fact is that Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo all received help from the US. It's kinda ironic for a Bosniak to say Albanians are lapdogs while your countrymen where getting massacred before the Americans came..

[Hurrem sultana]

Uranium and a large base in the Balkans near the Middle East.

there you see

[Guapo]

Lulz, fact is that Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo all received help from the US. It's kinda ironic for a Bosniak to say Albanians are lapdogs while your countrymen where getting massacred before the Americans came..

What help did Bosnia receive? Zero. Croatia did and alboz, thanks to a rich lobby in Washington!, that's it. Serbia still has the largest army in the Balkans. You'd get destroyed if it wasn't for the US.

[dado]

this is mighty albanian army :p

Active personnel 14,500
Reserve personnel 5,000

http://i.imgur.com/yuGvjDp.png


http://i.imgur.com/9dX59J7.png

[Grizzly]

What help did Bosnia receive? Zero. Croatia did and alboz, thanks to a rich lobby in Washington!, that's it. Serbia still has the largest army in the Balkans. You'd get destroyed if it wasn't for the US.

I don't fantasize about war but I doubt it. You'd get Albos swarming in on all sides..

[Hurrem sultana]

I don't fantasize about war but I doubt it. You'd get Albos swarming in on all sides..

Lol ,maybe from switzerland and germany?

[Guapo]

this is mighty albanian army :p

Active personnel 14,500
Reserve personnel 5,000


A mighty joke.

[Guapo]

You'd get Albos swarming in on all sides..

Oh noez. Your nation is a joke :lmao:

[Grizzly]

Uranium and a large base in the Balkans near the Middle East.

too bad Kosovo isn't near the Middle East.

America already has lapdogs in the middle east(mainly Turkey and Isreal). I doubt bondsteel has any importance with middle east affairs.

I don't think US should have a base in Kosovo but fact is that the US has military bases literally everywhere around the world so I don't see where you're going with this.

[Grizzly]

Lol ,maybe from switzerland and germany?

The diaspora money coming in will definitely help out.

During the 90's money sent from the diaspora where used to upkeep hospitals, schools, etc in Kosova.. I don't see how the situation will differ today.

Not to mention Albanians are probably the most nationalistic ethnic group in Europe. Albo's from Vlora to Shkup will come in and assist..

But like I mention I don't fantasize war. You guys seem to have a fixation on crushing Albo's lol

[dado]

The diaspora money coming in will definitely help out.

During the 90's money sent from the diaspora where used to upkeep hospitals, schools, etc in Kosova.. I don't see how the situation will differ today.

Not to mention Albanians are probably the most nationalistic ethnic group in Europe. Albo's from Vlora to Shkup will come in and assist..

But like I mention I don't fantasize war. You guys seem to have a fixation on crushing Albo's lol

uck was laughable military formation...they had no chance against yugoslav army at that time......in just few months serbs cleaned most of kosovo and then america jumped in

[Hurrem sultana]

Albos are just big in words,when it comes to actions,we have seen how you do

[Guapo]

albanian men = cowards

[Guapo]

Liberation of Presevo Valley against albanian terrorists. Where were your diaspora support then? From Shkup to Vlora :lmao:

Cowards


http://youtu.be/0_nx3i36QBc

[Grizzly]

uck was laughable military formation...they had no chance against yugoslav army at that time......in just few months serbs cleaned most of kosovo and then america jumped in

Are you sure you're not talking about Bosnia?

[Loki]

Take a look at the embargo on bosnians only iranians went against it and sent us help

of course the west has political power,but if you are without anything,and expect help from west then you are bad out there

West is like a mean step mother

The only thing you can hope and pray for is NATO/EU/US intervention if attacked again.

[Guapo]

Serb army destroyed albanian terrorists then Nato came in and started bombing. UCK was a joke.


http://youtu.be/ZKgBZDgLpt8

[Grizzly]

Albos are just big in words,when it comes to actions,we have seen how you do

lol.. You're the one talking about crushing albo skulls.

And it's not just you all the South Slavs(besides the croats) have a fixation on crushing Albos.. You guys seem to be united with your hatred toward Albos.

[Grizzly]

Serb army destroyed albanian terrorists then Nato came in and started bombing. UCK was a joke.

Kosova today, Presheva tommorow

You mad Serb?

[Guapo]

Kosova today, Presheva tommorow

You mad Serb?

You mad your men are cowards sucking American cock

[Guapo]

Kako se zove gomila siptara u rupi?

septicka jama!

[alb0zfinest]

Albos are just big in words,when it comes to actions,we have seen how you do

idiots these days ncncncnc
So let me get this straight
Yougoslavia population: 8 million
Kosovas population: 1.6 million
Kosova: no army, only untrained volunteers to defend their homeland
Economy: Serbia ahead 2-3 times
Military equipment: well equipped
Kla volunteers: few guns donated by Albania
Allies of Serbia: Russia
Allies of Kosova: none
So congrats your serb brothers have beat poorly equipped untrained civilians that number almost 5 times less with Russia at your side.
By the way lol why didn't "strong Yugoslavia" attack Albania when Albania was under communism where Albanias active military personnel was 200,000 and they were well equipped and well trained with chemical weapons at their disposal?
By the way Luna lol speaking of big, what happened with you guys in 1990?

[alb0zfinest]

You mad your men are cowards sucking American cock

Mad guapo is mad
Its going to be so glorious, Presheva once again united with Kosova and later Albania

[Sultan Suleiman]

Better question is, are our neighbors capable of "launching of an act of aggression"?

Croatia is debt ridden country which can barely afford a military maneuvers, while Serbia's greatest military asset is few hundreds of decades old APCs and tanks which would be turned into a heaps of molted metal even by the lowest of the low tech anti armor gear in any of the arsenals of Balkanian nations.

[Arbërori]

Kako se zove gomila siptara u rupi?

septicka jama!

Svasta fore majka rodila...

[Cokolino]

NATO membership should be of course no 1 priority. Much
of the region are members already. There are already two
NATO bases, Eagle base in Tuzla and Butmir in Sarajevo.
We only need to make it official I guess. One on one
against Serbia, nope.

[dado]

NATO membership should be of course no 1 priority. Much
of the region are members already. There are already two
NATO bases, Eagle base in Tuzla and Butmir in Sarajevo.
We only need to make it official I guess. One on one
against Serbia, nope.

yeah...u keep believing somebody else is going to fight for us...hell u can believe whatever u want from 3000 km away from bosnia

on the other hand ,i'm sure your cousins and relatives in bosnia would preffer to have their destiny in their own hands this time if something happens

[Loki]

yeah...u keep believing somebody else is going to fight for us...hell u can believe whatever u want from 3000 km away from bosnia

on the other hand ,i'm sure your cousins and relatives in bosnia would preffer to have their destiny in their own hands this time if something happens

Well NATO membership would effectively protect Bosnia from future troubles.

[o__o]

Yes, Bosnia has some nuclear bombs in Tuzla.
Well hidden, so well hidden that i'm the only one knowing about them.

[dado]

Well NATO membership would effectively protect Bosnia from future troubles.

not if all neighouring countries become nato members as well...we simply have too bloody history to lay our hopes once again into somebody else protecting us

[Loki]

not if all neighouring countries become nato members as well...we simply have too bloody history to lay our hopes once again into somebody else protecting us

Do you understand what NATO membership means? It means that all the other NATO members are obliged to defend you if attacked. Another NATO member would not be able to attack you either single-handedly.

[dado]

Do you understand what NATO membership means? It means that all the other NATO members are obliged to defend you if attacked. Another NATO member would not be able to attack you either single-handedly.

yeah...it means we would probably have to join american tirany over our muslim brothers...joining that allience in first place draws some ethical and moral questions for us...should we join u in killin innocent muslims just so that we can be a bit safer

[Tomorr]

Muslim Serb. I am Muslim but know my roots and I am proud of being Slavo-Serbian.

It'a amazing you survived the yugoslav wars without being killed by fellow Orthdox Serbs, Catholic Croats and Muslim Bosnians. You're quite the abomination.

[Hurrem sultana]

It'a amazing you survived the yugoslav wars without being killed by fellow Orthdox Serbs, Catholic Croats and Muslim Bosnians.

hahahaha,its him against the world

[Loki]

yeah...it means we would probably have to join american tirany over our muslim brothers...joining that allience in first place draws some ethical and moral questions for us...should we join u in killin innocent muslims just so that we can be a bit safer

It's your survival at stake. Besides, Turkey is a NATO member as well ;)

p.s. Guapo is not Muslim :rolleyes:

[Tomorr]

Serb army destroyed albanian terrorists then Nato came in and started bombing. UCK was a joke.


http://youtu.be/ZKgBZDgLpt8

Serbian logic at its finest. Let's say we believe Serbian fantasy. Why would NATO intervene if the KLA were defeated? The army defeated, Serbs withdraw victorious, so why would NATO intervene?

[dado]

http://i.imgur.com/Co7j6Zt.png

[The.Mask]

Your map is wrong, Kosovo is not Serbia anymore.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Do you understand what NATO membership means? It means that all the other NATO members are obliged to defend you if attacked. Another NATO member would not be able to attack you either single-handedly.

NATO deciding to defend the attacked in an inter-NATO war is just a theory that hasn't actually been tested.

[dado]

Your map is wrong, Kosovo is not Serbia anymore.

it is for bosnia

[The.Mask]

it is for bosnia

Your country can think what they want, i just tell you there are no serbian tanks/planes or Army in Republic of Kosovo.

and here is the subject.

[dado]

Your country can think what they want, i just tell you there are no serbian tanks/planes or Army in Republic of Kosovo.

and here is the subject.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0tKAyRQaEq0 http://www.klix.ba/forum/images/smilies/raz_013.gif

[The.Mask]

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0tKAyRQaEq0 http://www.klix.ba/forum/images/smilies/raz_013.gif

I don't see what's funny exactly. I pointed a fact, but if you wana laugh just do it..