Google translate added Bosnian

[sido]

Now finally we can translate from Bosnian and to Bosnian,thanks Google:D:thumb001::thumb001:

http://www.klix.ba/scitech/tehnologija/google-translate-dodao-i-bosanski-jezik-na-listu/130508138

[Hurrem sultana]

Tooooo :D

[Ushtari]

So unnecessary


I now demand a option to translate to and from Gheg albo, since there is bigger difference between gheg and tosk than there is between Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian.

[Hurrem sultana]

Isnt that South Slavic with even more Turkish words? :)

not as much as albanian though :D

[Cokolino]

Just be careful, sometimes their translator provide just gibberish :p

[Hurrem sultana]

Just be careful, sometimes their translator provide just gibberish :p

I know,but it is important,thousands of people use this,now they see bosnian there too ;)

[Cokolino]

Isnt that South Slavic with even more Turkish words? :)

Jok vala :D

[Hurrem sultana]

Fyi Albanian has less Turkish loanwords than all Yugos together.
But lets not change topic as it is about Bosnian language.

lol whatever

[Virtuous]

I hate how google translate is politically correct and doesn't translate curse words.

[Cokolino]

I know,but it is important,thousands of people use this,now they see bosnian there too ;)


You are right, now Bosnian is on their translator list also,
as a recognized language...
I am sure Medvjed approves :D

[Hurrem sultana]

You are right, now Bosnian is on their translator list also,
as a recognized language...
I am sure Medvjed approves :D

this will ruin his day :D :(

[safinator]

Fyi Albanian has less Turkish loanwords than all Yugos together.
But lets not change topic as it is about Bosnian language.

Yes true we have far more Turkish loan words.

[Hurrem sultana]

lol good one

[safinator]

lol good one

Please don't copy my profile.
I'm unique.

[ALSh]

LOL @ Safinator :lmao

[CrystalMaiden]

Damned copy cats :p

[Hurrem sultana]

i am going to sue you guys lool :D

[CrystalMaiden]

i love somalis

[ALSh]

Who's original Luna? :rotfl:

[CrystalMaiden]

What's a luna?

[safinator]

What's a luna?

Me

[Hurrem sultana]

i love somalis

to je rekao i Amar :D

[CrystalMaiden]

to je rekao i Amar :D

to je i meni rekao :D

[Cokolino]

Oh my...it's twilight zone O.o

[CrystalMaiden]

Oh my...it's twilight zone O.o

Amarzone, nikako da pobjegnem od njega :lol:

[Shkembe Chorba]

će biti u stanju da komunicira sa vama, tako da ?

[CrystalMaiden]

će biti u stanju da komunicira sa vama, tako da ?

:lol:

[Cokolino]

Amarzone, nikako da pobjegnem od njega :lol:

Zašto bježati? Kupiš pepper spray i neka on bježi :lol:

[CrystalMaiden]

Me

It's me.

[CrystalMaiden]

Zašto bježati? Kupiš pepper spray i neka on bježi :lol:

I to :lol:

[safinator]

It's me.

Liar, im the original one
Just see my join date.

[Hurrem sultana]

to je i meni rekao :D

:D:eek:

[Shkembe Chorba]

Zašto bježati? Kupiš pepper spray i neka on bježi :lol:
nešto kao da je šala sa mnom ili bilo pogrešno

[Cokolino]

nešto kao da je šala sa mnom ili bilo pogrešno

Nooo, it's about another member here, there are some issues :P
I'm nut quite sure myself what happened :D

[CrystalMaiden]

:D:eek:

:p :o

[CrystalMaiden]

Liar, im the original one
Just see my join date.

liar liar, skirt on fire.

joost look at my spoling and u will now taht i am Ružica :p

[dado]

this is laughable...u cant translate one third of bosnian language...even some basic word such as father,grandmother,grandfather etc

[Hurrem sultana]

this is laughable...u cant translate one third of bosnian language...even some basic word such as father,grandmother,grandfather etc

its the start,they will fix it

[CrystalMaiden]

this is laughable...u cant translate one third of bosnian language...even some basic word such as father,grandmother,grandfather etc

Babo, dedo, nana :o

Ili vi imate neke goraždanske riječi za to poput Bišćana sa svojom "džigirajom" :lol:

[dado]

its the start,they will fix it
not if the ones that r working on this project r serbs and croats...

[CrystalMaiden]

Moramo poslati dadu da ovo fiksa za bozniju :lol:

[Driven Mind]

Interesting yet odd.Since Bosnians speak South Western Slavic language called Serbo-Croatian what the heck the difference would be between "Bosnian" and Serbian? A simple dialect? I think this add on is more political then anything.

[Hurrem sultana]

I heard banjalucani saj ebejka for granny lol

[Baldur]

Finally i can write my love letter to Edin Džeko and telling him to join Malmö FF, oh happy days :D

[dado]

Interesting yet odd.Since Bosnians speak South Western Slavic language called Serbo-Croatian what the heck the difference would be between "Bosnian" and Serbian? A simple dialect? I think this add on is more political then anything.
it is not pure slavic language

[Methmatician]

It's unnecessary. When I saw it this morning I thought it would be the same as Serbian and Croatian but with favouring Turkish words over others. For example, I checked to see if 'deceased (late)' would translate to 'rahmetli' but instead it translates to 'pokojni'. 'Bosnian' on Google Translate is pretty much Serbian in Latin with the occasional Croatian word.

I don't understand why they don't use Serbo-Croatian with Latin and Cyrillic option.

[Hurrem sultana]

Because your dreamworld is not reality

[Driven Mind]

it is not pure slavic language

Only because has some influence from other languages doesn't change the above mentioned fact. There are countless countries with deep dialects within them and that doesn't make up a language. Something similar happened with Macedonia not long time ago after they broke loose from Yugoslavia. All though they claim the "Macedonian" to be a separate language, linguistics say different,regardless whether it's close to Serbian or Bulgarian.
Once again,this is more political then linguistic.I mean in this case shouldn't be called something like Bosnian-Herzegovian?

[Methmatician]

Because your dreamworld is not reality

Talk about reality :rolleyes: Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian doesn't exist in linguistics, only in Politics.

[Hurrem sultana]

Only because has some influence from other languages doesn't change the above mentioned fact. There are countless countries with deep dialects within them and that doesn't make up a language. Something similar happened with Macedonia not long time ago after they broke loose from Yugoslavia. All though they claim the "Macedonian" to be a separate language, linguistics say different,regardless whether it's close to Serbian or Bulgarian.
Once again,this is more political then linguistic.I mean in this case shouldn't be called something like Bosnian-Herzegovian?

Bosniaks speak bosnian,serbs serbian and croats crotian

bosnian it is

[dado]

Only because has some influence from other languages doesn't change the above mentioned fact. There are countless countries with deep dialects within them and that doesn't make up a language. Something similar happened with Macedonia not long time ago after they broke loose from Yugoslavia. All though they claim the "Macedonian" to be a separate language, linguistics say different,regardless whether it's close to Serbian or Bulgarian.
Once again,this is more political then linguistic.I mean in this case shouldn't be called something like Bosnian-Herzegovian?
it changes everything .. since it's mixture of slavic,turkish,arabic and to less extent some other languages,i dont consider it slavic
nobody here denies that bosnian,serbian and croatian are almost same language...we just dont want to call it any way other but bosnian cause we have oldest dictionary and both serbs and croats took as they standard language bosnian dialect

[Hurrem sultana]

if you really have to call it by one name,call it Bosnian

[Mans not hot]

it is not pure slavic language
There is no such thing as pure Slavic language. All Slavic languages have equally foreign element in them.

[Methmatician]

it changes everything .. since it's mixture of slavic,turkish,arabic and to less extent some other languages,i dont consider it slavic
nobody here denies that bosnian,serbian and croatian are almost same language...we just dont want to call it any way other but bosnian cause we have oldest dictionary and both serbs and croats took as they standard language bosnian dialect

Vocabulary doesn't determine what language family a language belongs to :picard1: The grammar is Slavic, alphabet is Slavic, majority of words are Slavic, and it is most similar with other Slavic languages. You don't decide which language family it belongs to just because you don't 'consider' it Slavic.

[el22]

this is laughable...u cant translate one third of bosnian language...even some basic word such as father,grandmother,grandfather etc


its the start,they will fix it


not if the ones that r working on this project r serbs and croats...

No, they won't fix it. It's not a rule-based translator, it's a statistical engine.

[Hurrem sultana]

statistical engine??

[dado]

Vocabulary doesn't determine what language family a language belongs to :picard1: The grammar is Slavic, alphabet is Slavic, majority of words are Slavic, and it is most similar with other Slavic languages. You don't decide which language family it belongs to just because you don't 'consider' it Slavic.

slavic alphabet buahahahah :embarrassed...better known as latin...and what the heck is slavic grammar...is it verbs,or adverbs...nouns maybe...stop talking bulshit...it is not slavic full stop.

[Methmatician]

slavic alphabet buahahahah :embarrassed...better known as latin...

I mean the sounds and letters are common among other Slavic languages as well.


and what the heck is slavic grammar...is it verbs,or adverbs...nouns maybe...stop talking bulshit...

Verbs, for example, usually end in -it', -it or -iti which is used in other Slavic languages. Also using ne- or bez- as a negation in some words. (e.g. 'neradni' and 'bezplatni')


it is not slavic full stop.

So what would you classify it as? Martian? :rolleyes2:

[Arianiti]

So unnecessary


I now demand a option to translate to and from Gheg albo, since there is bigger difference between gheg and tosk than there is between Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian.

We have one Language Standard, for all Albanians. It is different with them, they are a nation and they need their own Standard

And there is no difference between tosk and gheh actually. Words bases are the same, only some grammar differences. Each word used of geghs is used by tosks, too. It is one language.

[Kastrioti1443]

We have one Language Standard, for all Albanians. It is different with them, they are a nation and they need their own Standard

And there is no difference between tosk and gheh actually. Words bases are the same, only some grammar differences. Each word used of geghs is used by tosks, too. It is one language.

Yeah it is true, maybe only a lab villager can understand in one moment a highlander from gjakova, but the words are the same

[Arianiti]

Yeah it is true, maybe only a lab villager can understand in one moment a highlander from gjakova, but the words are the same

It has to do more with phonetics, diction, stress etc.

But the words are ONE.

[el22]

statistical engine??

Try this for example (http://translate.google.com/?sl=sq&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&text=skalis#en/it/work), and look at the left of translations, you'll see a gray bar. Longer the bar, more confident you can be about the translation.

It's not a translator that works based on a dictionary and grammar rules written by linguistics, instead it uses texts in multiple languages that exist on web to try to match words or phrases from one language to the next. More texts it has available, more accurate it is.

[dado]

I mean the sounds and letters are common among other Slavic languages as well.



Verbs, for example, usually end in -it', -it or -iti which is used in other Slavic languages. Also using ne- or bez- as a negation in some words. (e.g. 'neradni' and 'bezplatni')



So what would you classify it as? Martian? :rolleyes2:

u have no idea about bosnian fool...u never learned it how could u...here is few verbs for u and none of them ends on it

pjevam ..kurcu
radim...ko sivonja
pišem ....gluposti
kenjam...samo tako
jebem ----ti mater

[Kastrioti1443]

Where is Juka????

[CrystalMaiden]

Because your dreamworld is not reality

And not all Bosniaks are moral whores like you two lovebirds :)

[CrystalMaiden]

it changes everything .. since it's mixture of slavic,turkish,arabic and to less extent some other languages,i dont consider it slavic
nobody here denies that bosnian,serbian and croatian are almost same language...we just dont want to call it any way other but bosnian cause we have oldest dictionary and both serbs and croats took as they standard language bosnian dialect

Ti si duševno zakržljao :)

If you understood that, you are a (linguistically a) Slav.

[Lucifer]

it's nice, i always hate when i have to select croatian when i look for a word.

[Hurrem sultana]

it's nice, i always hate when i have to select croatian when i look for a word.

Hahahha same here

[Kastrioti1443]

Where is Juka??????

[Methmatician]

u have no idea about bosnian fool...u never learned it how could u...here is few verbs for u and none of them ends on it

pjevati ..kurcu
raditi ...ko sivonja
pisati ....gluposti
kenjati ...samo tako
jebati ----ti mater

:thumb001:

[dado]

Ti si duševno zakržljao :)

If you understood that, you are a (linguistically a) Slav.

a ti nemaš mozga ako se slažeš sa ovim slavističarem iz australije :dielaughing:

[dado]

:thumb001:

u r foll...it is still fail u said it

and nobody says here ja jebati mater....nego obično kažemo jebem ti mater

[Lucifer]

Where is Juka??????

juka is in the army he said, i think he is going to war against farkland islands since he is argentina.
why u ask it on bosnia forum between there is argentina section...

[Methmatician]

u r foll...it is still fail u said it

and nobody says here ja jebati mater....nego obično kažemo jebem ti mater

I didn't intend to use the other words. I was just showing you that they could be verbs by using -ti. And please, use proper English if you don't want to be idiot.

[epirot]

What's next? Montenegrin and Hercegovinian? Now that i think about it, i always wanted to be able to switch from Kajkavski <-> Cakavski <-> Stokavski.... Google ... do you hear???? or are you just following NWO orders?

[CrystalMaiden]

a ti nemaš mozga ako se slažeš sa ovim slavističarem iz australije :dielaughing:

Pa bila bi još na gorem nivou retardacije nego ti, kad bi te pratila sa tvojim kafansko nacionalnim kurvanjem :puke: :puke: :puke:

Kad narasteš loptice koje te odvajaju od brkati djevojaka iz tvoje prodice, nastavićemo ovaj razgovor ;)

[Kastrioti1443]

u r foll...it is still fail u said it

and nobody says here ja jebati mater....nego obično kažemo jebem ti mater

you are a nigger

[Guapo]

Fyi Albanian has less Turkish loanwords than all Yugos together.
But lets not change topic as it is about Bosnian language.

True, you have more Slavic loan words due to assimilation of Slavs.

[dado]

I didn't intend to use the other words. I was just showing you that they could be verbs by using -ti. And please, use proper English if you don't want to be idiot.

there is no verb ending on -it in any tense

[Lucifer]

What's next? Montenegrin and Hercegovinian? Now that i think about it, i always wanted to be able to switch from Kajkavski <-> Cakavski <-> Stokavski.... Google ... do you hear???? or are you just following NWO orders?

i doubt they have enough lobby power. i'm glad to see serbokuffars bothered by google. :)
on my google it's even bosniak and not bosnian.

[Kastrioti1443]

True, you have more Slavic loan words due to assimilation of Slavs.

Guapo..... te qifsha robt o pidhrobsh looooool

[dado]

Pa bila bi još na gorem nivou retardacije nego ti, kad bi te pratila sa tvojim kafansko nacionalnim kurvanjem :puke: :puke: :puke:

Kad narasteš loptice koje te odvajaju od brkati djevojaka iz tvoje prodice, nastavićemo ovaj razgovor ;)

nećemo ništa nastavljati jer si previše glup da razgovaram s tobom o bilo čemu

[Guapo]

te qifsha robt o pidhrobsh

and how the hell do you pronouce these words?

[Kastrioti1443]

and how the hell do you pronouce these words?

as an orthodox albanian you should know it

[Guapo]

as an orthodox albanian you should know it

ghetosddfam ikjfeso

[Lucifer]

why is there 2 lunarose :confused:

[Kastrioti1443]

ghetosddfam ikjfeso

jebem ti mater, cigani

[Methmatician]

there is no verb ending on -it in any tense

Radit ćeš, radit ćemo, radit ću, etc.

[CrystalMaiden]

nećemo ništa nastavljati jer si previše glup da razgovaram s tobom o bilo čemu

Brkata mater ti "glup" :p

[dado]

Radit ćeš, radit ćemo, radit ću, etc.

piss of idiot

that is just future tense of radim

[Philo]

Very good. Now Bosnians can't say shit about me in Bosnian without me being able to understand.

[Kastrioti1443]

Very good. Now Bosnians can't say shit about me in Bosnian without me being able to understand.

loool, baluarte

[Methmatician]

piss of idiot

that is just future tense of radim

It's a transitive verb :picard1:

[Sultan Suleiman]

Vi ljudi ste pupucali.

[CrystalMaiden]

Vi ljudi ste pupucali.

Glavno da je Zdravko dolepršao :lol:

[Guapo]

jebem ti mater, cigani

That looks more like European language

[Hurrem sultana]

Vi ljudi ste pupucali.

ma nek si ti dobar :D

[Bosnjakinja]

Talk about reality :rolleyes: Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian doesn't exist in linguistics, only in Politics.

Fine, then let other people name their languages Bosnian if they think this is the case. We wont rename ours and we dont care what Serbs and Croats call their language.

Kthanxbye.

[Arbërori]

Konacno!

[Philo]

loool, baluarte

LOL What? That guy does'nt know any Bosnian :rotfl2 :rotfl:
But yeah, you could argue that dado and the Lego-haired Bosnian guy are the Bosnian versions of Baluarte. Although they are MUCH less annoying.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Might as well just combine Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian translators and call it BCS.

[Methmatician]

Fine, then let other people name their languages Bosnian if they think this is the case. We wont rename ours and we dont care what Serbs and Croats call their language.

Kthanxbye.

You can't just name your own language because you don't want to associate with certain people. How would you feel if all the Bosnian dialects suddenly declared they were all there own separate languages? Would you accept their claims or call them ridiculous?

[Guapo]

You can't just name your own language because you don't want to associate with certain people. How would you feel if all the Bosnian dialects suddenly declared they were all there own separate languages? Would you accept their claims or call them ridiculous?

Good points

[Bosnjakinja]

You can't just name your own language because you don't want to associate with certain people. How would you feel if all the Bosnian dialects suddenly declared they were all there own separate languages? Would you accept their claims or call them ridiculous?
Says who? Our language is Bosnian , when Serbians were speaking something close to Bulgarian, in BiH there was always Bosnian, which was used by Vuk Karadzic as standard for Serbian and I frankly don't give a rats ass about Serbs or posrbice trying to tell us we cant name our language by its rightful name. You go speak Yugoslavian, Serbian, Serbo-Croatian, that's your business, just don't tell Bosniaks what to do.

[Bosnjakinja]

And before talking about the language it would be nice if you learned it.

[Methmatician]

Says who? Our language is Bosnian , when Serbians were speaking something close to Bulgarian, in BiH there was always Bosnian, which was used by Karadzic as standard for Serbian and I frankly don't give a rats ass about Serbs or posrbice trying to tell us we cant name our language by its rightful name. You go speak Yugoslavian, Serbian, Serbo-Croatian, that's your business, just don't tell Bosniaks what to do.

You didn't answer my question and the way you're looking at this is ridiculous. Language isn't defined by what the majority feel it should be. There are rules. There isn't enough difference between standard Bosnian, Croatian Serbian to be considered separate languages. You can live in your fantasy world if you want but if you're going to argue they're separate then expect ridicule and opposition because the only people who take these claims seriously are Balkanites, politicians and those who try to be politically correct, and the people who are qualified to define language (linguists) are the ones who regard those languages as "Serbo-Croatian".

[Bosnjakinja]

You didn't answer my question and the way you're looking at this is ridiculous. Language isn't defined by what the majority feel it should be. There are rules. There isn't enough difference between standard Bosnian, Croatian Serbian to be considered separate languages. You can live in your fantasy world if you want but if you're going to argue they're separate then expect ridicule and opposition because the only people who take these claims seriously are Balkanites, politicians and those who try to be politically correct, and the people who are qualified to define language (linguists) are the ones who regard those languages as "Serbo-Croatian".
I am not claiming they are separate languages, I am claiming it's all Bosnian but that everybody, Serbs and Croats included, have a right to name it the way the please. I really, truly don't care, and frankly, considering you don't even speak it, I don't see why you do.

And to answer your question: no I absolutely wouldnt care if someone pushed to call different Bosnian dialects their own languages. But there is no such movement, so thats not even an actuality.

[Methmatician]

I am not claiming they are separate languages, I am claiming it's all Bosnian but that everybody, Serbs and Croats included, have a right to name it the way the please. I really, truly don't care, and frankly, considering you don't even speak it, I don't see why you do.

And I'm saying that you can't just call your language whatever you want. People could one day decide to call 'Bosnian' Herzegovinian instead. Majority rules doesn't work in linguistics.


And to answer your question: no I absolutely wouldnt care if someone pushed to call different Bosnian dialects their own languages. But there is no such movement, so thats not even an actuality.

Thank you. But I can tell that in the future, if things keep going the way they've been going, there will be a movement to recognise dialects as their own languages.

[Bosnjakinja]

And I'm saying that you can't just call your language whatever you want. People could one day decide to call 'Bosnian' Herzegovinian instead. Majority rules doesn't work in linguistics

Well then tell that to the Serbs who just won't realize that they're speaking our language. Linguistical organizations all over the world has accepted Bosnian as a language, it doesn't really matter if you don't.



Thank you. But I can tell that in the future, if things keep going the way they've been going, there will be a movement to recognise dialects as their own languages.

And then the world will go under! I dont see Dutch people going crazy when Boers call their language Afrikaans, why does an Australian feel the need to insist that Bosnian is really Serbian?

You are as ridiculous and identityless as dado, no offense.

[Guapo]

Srbian and Bulgarian slavic languages are older than Bosnian in the Balkans.

[Bosnjakinja]

Original Serbian is the same as Bulgarian, you had their language before Vuk Karadzic standardized Eastern Herzegovinian dialect and named it Serbian.

If you don't want to read history books, watch Zona Zamfirova.

[Guapo]

Original Serbian is the same as Bulgarian, you had their language before Vuk Karadzic standardized Eastern Herzegovinian dialect and named it Serbian.

If you don't want to read history books, watch Zona Zamfirova.

East Hercegovinians are Serbs. Their dialect became your Bosniak language as well as croatian.

[Bosnjakinja]

I won't call them Orthodox Bosniaks or Bosnians because I dont count them as part of my nation anymore, but technically they are just serbified inhabitants of BiH and have little to do with ethnic Serbs of Serbia.

I repeat: I dont care what they call their language or themselves: a good thing about Bosniaks is that we never had that desire to convince others that they are this and that, unlike our neighbours.

But the truth is the truth.

[Bosnjakinja]

Btw, for Medvjed: the language was only called Serbo-Croatian in a period from 1918 to 1991, about 70 years. So your theory of Serbo-Croatian being the "linguistically and historically correct name" for the language is utterly ridiculous. You claim to be "enlightened" and the only reasonable person here, yet it's people like you who fail to realize that the sun didn't rise with Yugoslavia and that there exists a history before that.

[Methmatician]

Well then tell that to the Serbs who just won't realize that they're speaking our language. Linguistical organizations all over the world has accepted Bosnian as a language, it doesn't really matter if you don't.

What do you mean our language? Standard Bosnian, Croatian and Croatian are all based East Herzegovinian, which was Serbian back then. Sorry, but that's just how it is. That doesn't mean though that the other dialects were that much different. And the Bosnian language was recognised and officially standardised in 2010, which isn't surprising in this politically correct world where people's feelings are valued over commons sense and truth.


And then the world will go under! I dont see Dutch people going crazy when Boers call their language Afrikaans, why does an Australian feel the need to insist that Bosnian is really Serbian?

Are you an idiot or is this just a side-effect of living in a highly politicised country? It's not Serbian, it's Serbo-Croatian. Learn the correct terminology.

[Methmatician]

Btw, for Medvjed: the language was only called Serbo-Croatian in a period from 1918 to 1991, about 70 years. So your theory of Serbo-Croatian being the "linguistically and historically correct name" for the language is utterly ridiculous. You claim to be "enlightened" and the only reasonable person here, yet it's people like you who fail to realize that the sun didn't rise with Yugoslavia and that there exists a history before that.

I don't say it's the correct name, but it's the name officially used in linguistics. But they also sometimes use Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS).

[Bosnjakinja]

What do you mean our language? Standard Bosnian, Croatian and Croatian are all based East Herzegovinian, which was Serbian back then. Sorry, but that's just how it is. That doesn't mean though that the other dialects were that much different. And the Bosnian language was recognised and officially standardised in 2010, which isn't surprising in this politically correct world where people's feelings are valued over commons sense and truth.



Are you an idiot or is this just a side-effect of living in a highly politicised country? It's not Serbian, it's Serbo-Croatian. Learn the correct terminology.

For someone who claims to be enlightened you sure contradict yourself a lot. Going from saying that Bosnian and Croatian are Serbian originally to saying the language isn't Serbian but Serbo-Croatian. Chose an argument and stick to it.


I don't say it's the correct name, but it's the name officially used in linguistics. But they also sometimes use Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS).

It was used officially because that was the official language of Yugoslavia. Now that there is no more Yugoslavia, Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian is more and more widespread, just like it was before Yugoslavia (a very long period communist seem to forget existed).

You have decided in your warped little mind that a term that was used for a tiny period in the history of all the Yugoslav people (Serbo-Croatian) is the only acceptable one, you can accept a hybrid of Serbian and Croatian (Serbo-Croatian), as if Croatian differs more from Serbian then Bosnian does, yet you go crazy when somebody tries to even mention that Bosnian has as right to a mention as the other two.

And you wonder why Bosniaks have a problem with that?

[Methmatician]

For someone who claims to be enlightened you sure contradict yourself a lot. Going from saying that Bosnian and Croatian are Serbian originally to saying the language isn't Serbian but Serbo-Croatian. Chose an argument and stick to it.

Yeah, no. Maybe you should work on your English because you can't read :rolleyes: I said they are one language, and I use the term 'Serbo-Croatian' because that is the one used most often by linguists.


It was used officially because that was the official language of Yugoslavia. Now that there is no more Yugoslavia, Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian is more and more widespread, just like it was before Yugoslavia (a very long period communist seem to forget existed).

They were recognised as one language before Yugoslavia but the term 'Serbo-Croatian' didn't exist until the Novi Sad meeting.


You have decided in your warped little mind that a term that was used for a tiny period in the history of all the Yugoslav people (Serbo-Croatian) is the only acceptable one, you can accept a hybrid of Serbian and Croatian (Serbo-Croatian), as if Croatian differs more from Serbian then Bosnian does, yet you go crazy when somebody tries to even mention that Bosnian has as right to a mention as the other two.

It's not the only acceptable one, I'd rather they invented a new term but it's the one used most often. Croatian actually does differ more from Serbian than Bosnian does. I'm surprised that a self proclaimed supercomputer of knowledge of Bosnian didn't know this ;)


And you wonder why Bosniaks have a problem with that?

I know why Bosniaks have a hissy fit about it, but that doesn't mean they're right in having that fit.

[Bosnjakinja]

Yeah, no. Maybe you should work on your English because you can't read :rolleyes: I said they are one language, and I use the term 'Serbo-Croatian' because that is the one used most often by linguists.

Reread your own comments, you said Bosnian and Croatian were all Serbian back then



They were recognised as one language before Yugoslavia but the term 'Serbo-Croatian' didn't exist until the Novi Sad meeting.

It's not the only acceptable one, I'd rather they invented a new term but it's the one used most often. Croatian actually does differ more from Serbian than Bosnian does. I'm surprised that a self proclaimed supercomputer of knowledge of Bosnian didn't know this ;) .


It is no longer the term used most often. Nowadays Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is most used, and that trend will only continue. What's strange is that most people are fine with this except certain posrbice. That's the funny thing; you claim you are rational and I am emotional when in fact its the other way around :) Every one of your posts and blog entries reeks of romanticism and nostalgia for a Utopic country, society, and language that never existed in the first place, not the way you imagine it.

Its the same with language: you love the idea of the brotherhood of all people and that we are all exactly the same, so you convince yourself that its true. I on the other hand am completely rational. I have absolutely no problem with people abroad grouping together Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian, under that name, for practical purposes. But to have some Australian tell me that a relatively new and imposed term like Serbo-Croatian is the true name of my language - please.

[Methmatician]

Reread your own comments, you said Bosnian and Croatian were all Serbian back then

You're English is horrible. I said that East Herzegovinian was Serbian :picard1:


It is no longer the term used most often. Nowadays Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is most used, and that trend will only continue. What's strange is that most people are fine with this except certain posrbice. Every one of your post and blog entries reeks of romanticism and nostalgia for a Utopic country, society, and language that never existed in the first place, not the way you imagine it.

Are you really trolling or just seriously stupid (sorry if it's because of your English)? Serbo-Croatian is used by linguists. Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian is used by average people who either don't know much about the language or are Bosnians, Serbians or Croatians, which would mean they care more about the politics of the language rather than the language itself.


That's the funny thing; you claim you are rational and I am emotional when in fact its the other way around :)

If you can show me where I said this I'll stop thinking you're an idiot :thumb001:


Its the same with language: you love the idea of the brotherhood of all people and that we are all exactly the same, so you convince yourself that its true. I on the other hand am completely rational. I have absolutely no problem with people abroad grouping together Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian, under that name, for practical purposes. But to have some Australian tell me that a relatively new and imposed term like Serbo-Croatian is the true name of my language - please.

It's not the true name. Are you even reading my posts or are you just thinking of arguments to use without even reading mine? I recognise those languages as one language. I use Serbo-Croatian because that is the linguistic term for the language. And how is disregarding the rules of linguistics rational? What rationality did you use that made you decide to consider them separate languages instead of one? I'd like to see this.

[Bosnjakinja]

You're English is horrible. I said that East Herzegovinian was Serbian :picard1:



Are you really trolling or just seriously stupid (sorry if it's because of your English)? Serbo-Croatian is used by linguists. Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian is used by average people who either don't know much about the language or are Bosnians, Serbians or Croatians, which would mean they care more about the politics of the language rather than the language itself.



If you can show me where I said this I'll stop thinking you're an idiot :thumb001:



It's not the true name. Are you even reading my posts or are you just thinking of arguments to use without even reading mine? I recognise those languages as one language. I use Serbo-Croatian because that is the linguistic term for the language. And how is disregarding the rules of linguistics rational? What rationality did you use that made you decide to consider them separate languages instead of one? I'd like to see this.

I see you get increasingly insecure in your posts so you start hurling insults. That's delightful but very off topic.

Btw, it's "your", and not "you're".

First off: no, posrbice, Serbo-Croatian is not the language used by linguistics. More dictionaries nowadays (written, you will surely agree, by linguists and people educated in languages) come out with Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian to "English/Spanish/French - whatever", then Serbo-Croatian to the same languages. Whether or not they are written by ethnic Yugoslavs or foreigners. Now start ranting again about how unfair and crazy and irrational that is if you want to, but its just how it is.

Second of all: you're the one blatantly ignoring my posts, because I've said from the beginning of this thread that as far as I'm concerned, Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is the same, Bosnian language. If you are desperate for a common word for it, then I have your answer right there: Bosnian. Pure and simple. And a lot older then "Serbo-Croatian"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Gramatika_bosanskog_jezika.jpg/370px-Gramatika_bosanskog_jezika.jpg

[Methmatician]

I see you get increasingly insecure in your posts so you start hurling insults. That's delightful but very off topic.

And you reoccurring use of 'posrbice' must mean you're off the rails then :thumb001:


Btw, it's "your", and not "you're".

Cheers. I sometimes miss this things when typing.


First off: no, posrbice, Serbo-Croatian is not the language used by linguistics. More dictionaries nowadays (written, you will surely agree, by linguistics and people educated in languages) come out with Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian to "English/Spanish/French - whatever", then Serbo-Croatian to the same languages. Whether or not they are written by ethnic Yugoslavs or foreigners. Now start ranting again about how unfair and crazy and irrational that is if you want to, but its just how it is.

They make "Serbian", "Croatian" and "Bosnian" dictionaries because they know not many people will use "Serbo-Croatian" dictionaries because they're to immature to just accept that they can find the same translation with with either book. And linguists use the names Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian when they're talking about Serbo-Croatian and the differences (or similarities) between the three. When talking about language in general they mostly use "Serbo-Croatian" unless politics has taken over.


Second of all: you're the one blatantly ignoring my posts, because I've said from the beginning of this thread that as far as I'm concerned, Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian is the same, Bosnian language. If you are desperate for a common word for it, then I have your answer right there: Bosnian. Pure and simple. And a lot older then "Serbo-Croatian"

You said here a few pages back:

"Fine, then let other people name their languages Bosnian if they think this is the case. We wont rename ours and we dont care what Serbs and Croats call their language."

It wasn't so far fetched to think that you considered them separate languages when you use words like "ours" and "theirs". Then in the next few posts you decided to change your opinion (or at least make it apparent what your real opinion was) by saying that they're all "Bosnian".

[Bosnjakinja]

Babini have never, ever had a problem being called posrbice. They love that term more than us normal ones do.

Again projecting your own emotions on to others. Most linguists aren't at all driven my emotion like you yourself are (why on earth else would you object so passionately to people simply calling their language what they want), they write their books for a target audience: because most people who learn Serbian want to learn just that, Serbian, and are probably fully aware of the fact that they can get by with Serbian in Croatia or Bosnia aswell, just like most people who want to learn Bosnian feel a connection to that language and will call it that, despite knowing that Croatian and Serbian are practically the same. Nobody on earth has a problem with Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian being called by those names except for some extreme examples like yourself and Seselj.

When I said "their languages" I clearly meant what they call their languages (because I, unlike you and cetniks, dont feel the need to meddle in people's identities).

Btw I have to go now but on an ending note let's just say this: if you are so desperate for a common language, as far as Bosniaks are concerned Bosnian is a perfect option.

If that's a problem for you all, then that's fine with us, you are free to call the language whatever you want: Serbo-Croatian, Serbian, Yugoslavian, whatever. We are merhametli people, we dont care :)

[Alexq]

Does it translate languages into Izet Fazlinovic's words? lol

[Methmatician]

Babini have never, ever had a problem being called posrbice. They love that term more than us normal ones do.

I don't know about that. They have good relations with Serbs but they don't call themselves posrbice.


Again projecting your own emotions on to others. Most linguists aren't at all driven my emotion like you yourself are (why on earth else would you object so passionately to people simply calling their language what they want), they write their books for a target audience: because most people who learn Serbian want to learn just that, Serbian, and are probably fully aware of the fact that they can get by with Serbian in Croatia or Bosnia aswell, just like most people who want to learn Bosnian feel a connection to that language and will call it that, despite knowing that Croatian and Serbian are practically the same. Nobody on earth has a problem with Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian being called by those names except for some extreme examples like yourself and Seselj.

Most linguists follow rules and don't invent languages based on peoples feelings (like yours). I don't have a problem with calling a language what they want, I even acknowledge that 'Bosnian' is a recognised language. However, I deny that Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian are different and, in reality and practicality, separate languages. And I oppose the politicisation of linguistics.


When I said "their languages" I clearly meant what they call their languages (because I, unlike you and cetniks, dont feel the need to meddle in people's identities).

When you use words like that people think you are talking about separate languages. I can't read your mind so I hope you realise that it wasn't irrational to think that's what you believe.

[Guapo]

I won't call them Orthodox Bosniaks or Bosnians because I dont count them as part of my nation anymore, but technically they are just serbified inhabitants of BiH and have little to do with ethnic Serbs of Serbia.

I repeat: I dont care what they call their language or themselves: a good thing about Bosniaks is that we never had that desire to convince others that they are this and that, unlike our neighbours.

But the truth is the truth.

You are very closed minded. People have been migrating through the Balkans for centuries. We're all related. Over 50% of people in Serbia have roots from Hercegovina. Go learn your "history" from some stupid films lol.

Btw, old Croatian is really Slovenian then if we go by your twisted logic :rolleyes:

Bosnian is made up language just like Serbo-Croatian was. But the truth is the truth.

[dado]

this australopitecus doesnt even know how eastern herzegovinian sounds...it is not different in anything from the rest of herzegovina and from the rest of bosnia it differs only in intonation

and secondly,australopitecus doesnt know that eastern herzegovina is not exclusive serb popuated area and there for language spoken there can not be called serbian

[Arbërori]

Why is there such a desire to claim other people on the Balkans. :lol:

Just let it go, Bosnian is an official language and that's it. :coffee:

[sido]

First lexikon in our part of World: Muhamed Hevaii Uskufis Turkish-Bosnian from year 1631!!!

so who are serbs or croats to deny our language? when did they get their first lexikon please?

[Lucifer]

i'm bosniak, i speak bosnian, if someone opposes it, then he can go fuck himself in africa :)

[CrystalMaiden]

And I'm saying that you can't just call your language whatever you want. People could one day decide to call 'Bosnian' Herzegovinian instead. Majority rules doesn't work in linguistics.

You silly thing :)

I bet you can't even speak Bosnian, the second, croatian/serbian languages are BASED ON BOSNIAN, you being a morall and/or national whore, not much unlike our dado here, your limited opinions don't even represent a fraction of Bosniaks let alone make any sense to any prolonged study.

[CrystalMaiden]

i'm bosniak, i speak bosnian, if someone opposes it, then he can go fuck himself in africa :)

He is in Australia, a perfect place for all the traitors to rot away if you ask me.

[Lucifer]

you're cruel lunarose, why do you want him to be assaulted by a kangaroo :(
but i understand your anger