Do you consider Bulgarians Slavic?

[hazmatnik]

That's nothing compared to Bulgarian average
Still, I doubt I would be much different from south-east Serbs in terms of DNA tbh, while other Serbs would be completely alien for me

While SE Serbs dont differ much in autosomal genetics from rest of Serbs, they do have some Y haplogroup subclades which are found only in SE Serbia. My maternal grandpa belong to one such subclade.

[oszkar07]

It's balkan and Roman, not balkan.

IT more or less indicates Med.

My point you wouldn't generally expect Austrians to be as Med/Southern as Hungarians.

Maybe within Austria the Balkan/Roman is more regional as in maybe more East Austria (Burgenland/Vienna) and Southern regions bordering
Slovenia and Italy. Would tend to expect West Austrians to cluster more with German averages.

[Far_away]

That's because you, as an individual, have more paleo-Balkan ancestry than the average Serb, not because N. Greeks are 30% Slavic. Let's have some common sense, man.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Greeks-on-G25

Peloponnese is 25% slavic, how much you think Greek Macedonia is? There was lots of Slavic tribes in Greece. It is normal.

[Far_away]

Are you descendant of Montenegrin colonists to Vojvodina after WW2?

Noo.

[Lemurian]

we have more DNA from people who were masters of Siberia (Genghis Khan, great Ta"r"tary, Göktürk Khaganate), who ruled ancient China and literally made it great (Han were just our slaves), from who likely Etruscans and possibly Sumerians are descendants, who ruled India as Aryans (and gave them R1a, Sanskrit, Aryan name and Hinduism) and as Mughals, who created Persia, Scythians who conquered half of Eurasia, who are ancestors of native Americans, possibly were Pharaohs of Egypt, conquered Europe and took their women...
This is Turan lore in short

Exactly, ancient Turkics were 70% Caucasoid

That likely differed from tribe to tribe. It's hard to say what the original Turkics were, but the Gokturks were the first well known Turk empire (we're not sure what exactly the Huns were), and the Ashina clan certainly had an East Eurasian lean from genetic and anthropological data analyzed. So at least the elites and probably original ones were more like that and absorbed various other peoples, including Iranian-speaking peoples of Central Asia and South Siberia.

Spoiler!

Gokturks:












The Sejuk Turks (circa 1200):



Cumans or Kipchak statues:

The Bulgars likely had stronger Iranian elements in them by the time they arrived in eastern Europe, though, but they didn't leave much in the way of art that could be interpreted.

[Psycho]

That likely differed from tribe to tribe. It's hard to say what the original Turkics were, but the Gokturks were the first well known Turk empire (we're not sure what exactly the Huns were), and the Ashina clan certainly had an East Eurasian lean from genetic and anthropological data analyzed. So at least the elites and probably original ones were more like that and absorbed various other peoples, including Iranian-speaking peoples of Central Asia and South Siberia.

Spoiler!

Gokturks:












The Sejuk Turks (circa 1200):



Cumans or Kipchak statues:

The Bulgars likely had stronger Iranian elements in them by the time they arrived in eastern Europe, though, but they didn't leave much in the way of art that could be interpreted.

Bulgarians today definitely have Bulgar DNA
And Bulgars had no Iranian in them

[Psycho]

You should focus on what separates you from other South Slavs, and that's definitively not what you think it is. You have very high Anatolian DNA from Hellenistic and Romanized Anatolians. With other South Slavs this component is minimal or it does not exist. That's why Bulgarians often get West Asia on their DNA tests, apart from Northeastern Europe and Balkans.

So you want to say that we are native Anatolian Gypsies, and not Turkic?

[Live The Magic]

So you want to say that we are native Anatolian Gypsies, and not Turkic?

That you have signifacant native Anatolian ancestry, yes. No need to call anyone gypsy.

[Anatolya]

Serbs score 2%, Romanians 10%, Hungarians 15%, Bulgarians 20%, Armenians 40% and Turks 50% acording to some sources

Excuse me what the fuck

[Psycho]

That you have signifacant native Anatolian ancestry, yes. No need to call anyone gypsy.

Fair enough, still Hittites, Lydians, Phrygians and other native Anatolians were mostly Med and had 60-70% ANF so they were not really different from Paleo-Balkanites (other than having strong CHG and Iranian influence and very weak Yamnaya) + mixed with Greeks and Romans

Only Hurro-Urtartians (proto-Armenians) aka natives of Armenian highlands were Armenoids and typical west Asians
So having Anatolian admixure wouldn't make as alien compared to other Slavs as we are