Armenia surrenders

[Armenian Bishop]

Spoiler!

Many years ago, I read an interview with a French financier who explained why Russians in Europe "were not respected and will never be respected". Quote: "You could have burned Paris, but you didn't."
I thought, not yet familiar enough with Western logic to know that he was right.

Then I once had a discussion on the Internet with a German who was very excited about the fact that the Red army raped Berlin, and retold something to me emotionally from the newspaper "Guardian". To my question about whether he feels similar feelings for the Americans who burned alive a 100 000 civilians in Dresden, he told me that "this is different". We, the Germans, needed this to understand that we were wrong." I was already familiar with Western logic at the time, and I wasn't surprised.

Do you want me to tell you how to determine with 100% probability the country that will betray Russia in the dirtiest way?

Fail-safe method: find the country for which Russia has shed blood and spent money for free. So it will betray, declaring Russia an ungrateful bastard.

Bulgaria - betrayed and will betray again, the Warsaw Pact countries - betrayed and will betray again, Armenia - betrayed and will betray again. There are no exceptions and never will be. As law 285 of the Ferengi rules of life correctly emphasizes: "No good deed goes unpunished."

Truly building a profitable Empire for its creators (not "great and beautiful", but profitable, as the British empire in their zenith) is to follow the principle set out in the great American film "Goodfellas" from 1990.

This principle is "Fuck you! Pay me!"

A reference quote from the movie describing Polly's mafioso business: "Well, the dude now has Polly as a partner. Problems getting money from customers? He goes to Polly. Problems with the police, with supplies, with other mafiosi? He goes to Polly. But now every week he has to find money for Polly under any circumstances. Is business bad? Fuck u, pay me. You were struck by lightning, right? Fuck u, pay me."

The global empire differs from the mafia in that it accepts not only money, but also shares of strategic enterprises, long-term state contracts, and recognition of the Russian language as the state language, and the Crimea as Russian. But "assurances of eternal friendship and fraternity" - as payment for Russia's willingness to use violence to protect the carcass of a particular client - ARE not ENOUGH.

Optimal communication with the conditional pro-European leadership in Yerevan should follow the scheme:

Armenia: "We have a revolution of dignity! We have a new European Premier!"
The Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (shrugs): Fuck u, pay me.
Armenia: "Oh, it's not fashionable to support Russia now, we have young people here demanding the European Union and lace panties!"
The Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (stolidly): Fuck u, pay me.
Armenia: "You will lose Armenia forever!!"
The Ministry of foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (meticulously): Fuck u, pay me.
Armenia: "What happens if we won't pay?"
Russian foreign Ministry (affectionately): Nothing will happen. To begin with, there will be no Karabakh, and then - as it goes.

That is why the slogan "Fuck u, pay me!" should be applied directly to the coat of arms of the Russian foreign Ministry. Our partners have very progressive elites, they don't speak Russian very well, they all "speak good English fluently". Well, let them read it.

Those who say "Russia is not like that, Russia is good!", I would suggest:

a) do not try to do charity work at public expense.

b) think about why the Russian and Soviet empires managed to be the only ones on the globe that in total robbed their citizens in order to "look good" in the eyes of some Polish and Central Asian limitrophs or European competitors. We are tired of being the main fool in the village and "naive Ivan", who at first easily buys into false promises of eternal friendship and love, and then openly gets a knife in the back for the fact that "Ivan" is an occupier who does not have lace panties.

PS: Paris would be really nice thing to burn for a keepsake, but we don't already have time for it. The "new French" from Africa took their turn before us.

You can put it all much easier: "the state's foreign policy should be guided by a pragmatic pursuit of its own interests." But here comes the difficulty of defining these very interests, and the simplified "F*ck you. Pay me" is suitable for Polly, but it does not suit more complex systems, whose interests may not be so momentary and primitive and consider periods for decades to come.
We already have statistics accumulated over several centuries of attempts to be "good", "honest", "fair", "not like them". There is evidence that this does not bring us anything good, that everyone we have ever done well, sooner or later betray and do us nasty things in response. Maybe it's time to stop this failed experiment and start being like everyone else: rob and genocide others, if it benefits our own.

In short, the path of state formation is cynical and ruthless. Otherwise, you'll lose. And will be punished for being "kind."

If the Armenians continue in the same direction (spitting furiously at Russia), this is a respite before the elimination of Armenia.

How many peoples without a state? Armenians risk becoming another one for their arrogance and thesis - "We are an ancient, hard-working people, so we are rich (though not in Armenia), and you are wild, lazy, dirty slaves and envy us and do not understand what an honor it is to fight for us, so proud and ancient."

Pay attention: Russia now helps those who behave well and fight THEMSELVES. No one will fight for them.

Armenia can become a model for Russia to practice a cynical foreign policy. Armenians already know what needs to be done in order to gain loyalty to Russia, so it's not worth telling them. The famous carrot and stick rule works here: with a good whip, you don't need a carrot. The loss of Armenia is not a big problem for Russia, it is not the 90s, the militants will not cross the border in formation and their camps on the neighboring territory will not be tolerated by anyone. But the loss of Russia for Armenia, surrounded by Muslim States, may be fatal. Armenians remind us so often about the genocide that the Turks can't forget it either.

There is a similar example in recent history - this is Libya. Remember Gaddafi, how he yelled at the UN "where is the strong Russia, in which this would be impossible"?
And his pockets bulged from Soviet debts, which he did not return to the Russian Federation. Where is he, by the way?"

All of these limitrophs consider Russians as Ivans-the-fools designed to pull the chestnuts out of the fire for them. But they do not realize that Russia needed them as a buffer zone, as corridors for trade routes. The development of technology and infrastructure led to the fact that limitrofs lost their former purpose, Russia dropped them and stopped funding. These released resources are user for our own development now. The result, Russia gradually gets richer, and the border states rapidly impoverished. What is the meaning of to spill Russian blood for the Russophobic dying corpses of the border states?

How many times do I have to say it? Armenians have been incredibly loyal to Russia. Armenia never betrayed Russia, you dolt.

What the hell are you even talking about? Complaining because people with Armenian ancestry (like me) are angry at Judas Putin, and traitor Russia, because they passively watched, and did nothing to exercise consequences against Azerbaijan and Turkey. Apparently war crimes and treaty violations mean nothing to Putin. Armenians didn't provoke Russia, despite the excuses for imposing a humiliating treaty, roughly the equivalent of Germany's surrender terms, after World War I.

Even a this very moment, Azerbaijan is desecrating and destroying Armenian Heritage Monuments, especially churches. I'm suspicious that this was all prearranged by Putin, Aliyev and Erdogan, in addition, Western Powers, colluded for the downfall of Armenia's stronghold, but for different reasons.

In my opinion, Armenia should immediately start making nuclear weapons, because even Russia doesn't give a fuck about the country's national treasures. They're on their own, and need weapons of mass destruction. This is genocide and ethnic cleansing, on a massive scale. Where are the concerned parties who showed up at Nuremberg, and more recently complained about the so-called ethnic cleansing in the Balkans?

[Area51Defender]

How many times do I have to say it? Armenians have been incredibly loyal to Russia.

What the hell are you even talking about? Complaining because people with Armenian ancestry (like me) are angry at Judas Putin, and traitor Russia, because they passively watched, and did nothing to exercise consequences against Azerbaijan and Turkey, when things got difficult. Armenians didn't provoke Russia, and what is happening now, is Russia's own doing, because they impose a humiliating treaty, roughly the equivalent of Germany's surrender terms, after World War I.

Even a this very moment, Azerbaijan is desecrating and destroying Armenian Heritage Monuments, especially churches. I'm suspicious that this was all prearranged by Putin, Aliyev and Erdogan, in addition, Western Powers, colluded for the downfall of Armenia's stronghold, but for different reasons.

In my opinion, Armenia should immediately start making nuclear weapons, because even Russia doesn't give a fuck about the country's national treasures. They're on their own, and need weapons of mass destruction. This is genocide and ethnic cleansing, on a massive scale. Where are the concerned parties who showed up at Nuremberg, and more recently complained about the so-called ethnic cleansing in the Balkans?

Western Powers like America, Britain, France, Germany, Italy - I don't think they batted an eye to the South Caucasian conflict at all. Why would they collude with Russia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan?

[Armenian Bishop]

Western Powers like America, Britain, France, Germany, Italy - I don't think they batted an eye to the South Caucasian conflict at all. Why would they collude with Russia, Turkey, and Azerbaijan?

Because they want Azerbaijan's petrol oil, and Trump is Erdogan's pal.

[Westbrook]

I can't see a scenario in which we got involved in this no matter who was President at the time, especially on the opposite side of a nato ally and another country with whom we already have good military relations.

Because they want Azerbaijan's petrol oil, and Trump is Erdogan's pal.

[Area51Defender]

Because they want Azerbaijan's petrol oil, and Trump is Erdogan's pal.

Biden's even closer to Erdogan than Trump, this was especially evident when Biden was Obama's VP.

Most Western countries don't see Turkey and Azerbaijan as true allies, instead, they see them as regional partners, similar to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

[Hurrem sultana]

poor armenians lost and now they are angery russia did not support them? are you serious? why would russia support you? first of all russia is a secular state,they dont give a damn about christianity,and second may the best win-and the best won here


you just seem very naive,thinking serious states in 2020 will support you only beause of religion you share lol.In Serbia they say "tesko onome koga Rusija brani a Kina hrani"..look up the translate(and serbians are apparently good friends with russia lol)

[Area51Defender]

poor armenians lost and now they are angery russia did not support them? are you serious? why would russia support you? first of all russia is a secular state,they dont give a damn about christianity,and second may the best win-and the best won here


you just seem very naive,thinking serious states in 2020 will support you only beause of religion you share lol.In Serbia they say "tesko onome koga Rusija brani a Kina hrani"..look up the translate(and serbians are apparently good friends with russia lol)

You sure are one to trust, you say that you're European but also seem to have a fetish for other Muslim groups worldwide such as Pakistanis and Somalis.

[oszkar07]

Because they want Azerbaijan's petrol oil, and Trump is Erdogan's pal.

Yes , despite the high % of Armenians in US who voted for him , he stabbed them in the back.....Im sure he didnt bat an eyelid ... even Kanye probably would done more for Armenia than the fat guy.

Armenia was def in a David vs Goliath situation in this conflict and with zero external support , so much for supposed Christian Orthodox Brotherhood, Russia showed pure soulessness in this respect.

Armenians were ready to fight to the bitter end at least they have showed that.

[oszkar07]

poor armenians lost and now they are angery russia did not support them? are you serious? why would russia support you? first of all russia is a secular state,they dont give a damn about christianity,and second may the best win-and the best won here


you just seem very naive,thinking serious states in 2020 will support you only beause of religion you share lol.In Serbia they say "tesko onome koga Rusija brani a Kina hrani"..look up the translate(and serbians are apparently good friends with russia lol)

Yeh we all saw the many faces of Russia here.

best win-and the best won here

In this context best probably = better equipped army with better technology weaponry and higher amount of soldiers,those drones proved really effective.

[Demhat]

>deep analysis of the military situation
sounds like Russia was not helping as much as they expected

Without Russias or Iran, Armenia simply had no chance of winning this war. Not because of the size of the country (Israel proved that this doesn't play a role) but because A: of the size of their population which is actually very low even for the size of Armenia B: Their technological disadvantage over Azerbaijan + Turkey.

Ironically, the thing is unfortunately for Armenia, that their opponent was Azerbaijan and not Turkey alone.

I actually coud see allot more countries getting involved in their favour if the opponent was Turkey, since Turkey pissed off quite a number of countries. However with Azerbaijan that is not the case. In fact most countries in the region have a friendly relationship to Azerbaijan like Israel, some Arabian countries. And even the countries that are naturally befriended with Armenia are also in good/decent terms with Azerbaijan. Like Russia, Iran or some Western countries as example.