Why are Armenians white but Turks are not?

**Adamm** · 05-01-2021, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hamilcar

the only "whites" in this part of the world are israelis

And only the Askhenazi ones (and not even all of them pass as 'white').

**~~Hamilcar~~** · 05-01-2021, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Adamm

And only the Askhenazi ones (and not even all of them pass as 'white').

nope both ashkenazim and sephardim (ME looking ones are rare the same way some south europeans can look ME or north african sometimes) they make up the majority of the country if we exclude arabs of course

**Dušan** · 05-01-2021, 08:47 PM

Armenians are honorary Europeans by their Christian culture and religion.

MENA Muslims (Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Pakistanis etc) should not be jealous about that fact and should mind their own bussiness.
There are no closer nations to Europeans than Georgians and Armenians.

**Sora** · 05-02-2021, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by SilverKnight

I don't consider Turks as white. They're a caucasoid subgroup of course, just not white. Armenians are much closer to Europeans then most Turks are.

Indeed Armenians & Turks are at the same closeness to Europeans, also Turks(especially Balkan & Western Anatolian ones) have more European phenotypes such as Med, Pontid, Dinarid etc. than Armenians do. But it's true Armenians are more Caucasoid than Turks due to Turks having 2%-20% Mongoloid admixture, while Armenians are always 100% Caucasoid. But we almost have the same European admixture as 15%-30%

**Rafael Passoni** · 05-02-2021, 03:06 AM

I and love watching their soap opera. Their actors are among the most beautiful people I ever seen.

**~~Слога~~** · 05-02-2021, 04:31 PM

Armenians are not Europeans, so they are not White. They are Caucasian people.

**Pine** · 05-02-2021, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Слога

Armenians are not Europeans, so they are not White. They are Caucasian people.

Only part of their geography is in the Caucasus. They plot between the Caucasus and Southwest Asia. They have clear Semitic admixture.

**~~Слога~~** · 05-02-2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

Armenians are honorary Europeans by their Christian culture and religion.

MENA Muslims (Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Pakistanis etc) should not be jealous about that fact and should mind their own bussiness.
There are no closer nations to Europeans than Georgians and Armenians.

They are Christians, but that doesn't make them Europeans. Leave term European out of this, there can be Orthodox Black or Chinese, does that mean that they are Europeans or worse "Honorary" Europeans?

**Dušan** · 05-02-2021, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Слога

They are Christians, but that doesn't make them Europeans. Leave term European out of this, there can be Orthodox Black or Chinese, does that mean that they are Europeans or worse "Honorary" Europeans?

Armenians are way closer to Europeans, than Blacks or Chinese are.

As I said, among all Asia and Africa, Armenians and Georgians are closest to Europeans.
If they are not, then who are???

- Christians
- native Cuacasians, with no Mongoloid and SSA admixture
- last two centuries under Russian rule, that spread European influence

These are Armenians. They do not look completely foreign for Europeans.

**GoalPoacher** · 05-02-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pine

Only part of their geography is in the Caucasus. They plot between the Caucasus and Southwest Asia. They have clear Semitic admixture.

I think Mesopotamian would be the right term. In Dodecad K12b SWA average of Armenian_West average is 16%, which is just in between Greek_Pontus(12-13%) and Assyrians(19%). That makes sense considering where they're originally from