The Universal Christ

**Victor** · 12-10-2023, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tradra

Orthodox seem to have a strong aversion to dreams which is fine because I've encountered many deceiving demons in dreams myself, but it is also written that in the end times the Lord will pour out his spirit on the world and young men will see visions and old men will dream dreams and prophesy.

When we're dreaming we're most available to the demons, they can communicate us directly while in awake condition we were almost fully limited from the World of spirits by God.

Tradra · 12-10-2023, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Victor

When we're dreaming we're most available to the demons, they can communicate us directly while in awake condition we were almost fully limited from the World of spirits by God.

https://biblehub.com/joel/2-28.htm
https://biblehub.com/acts/2-17.htm

**catgeorge** · 12-10-2023, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Victor

Both regular people and monks were deceived by demons in their dreams. There are even exact instructions by Holy Fathers how to react to such dreams, what to respond to the visitor, what to ask the visitor. Every of them should put the sign of Holy Cross over them by demand. Also, very few of us will calmly experience the presence of angels, by our unholiness and uncleanness most of us would be barely able to look at them.

I'm not going to get too much into it.

This is not about secret knowledge or people.

Studying scriptures can listen to simple sermons and chants on youtube, attending Church, coming to know and fear God, and finding victory in life over passions.
A dream can awaken a soul that is already receptive to hearing from God, for most people, if they are not already putting forth some effort toward living for God, it won’t usually make a long term difference to them.

Children with a pure heart usually get it between the ages of 8-12. I regularly get it when I embed myself with Christianity for a period of time and commit to it.

Seeing the Theotokos is perfectly natural. It doesn't speak to you, it's a very bright and holy feeling you simply feel blessed and nothing more. Monks dedicate their whole life to get closer and closer to God.

**catgeorge** · 12-10-2023, 11:18 PM

Basically if you want Theotokos to come to your dreams - it will only come as a form of dedication. It's a life changer.

Majority of Christians I know have had this dream some stage in their life.

Tradra · 12-10-2023, 11:36 PM

I've only seen Jesus once in my dreams, this was not long after becoming Christian. He was walking along a long road and I was told it was his final march to New Jerusalem and was gathering his flock for the last time, I saw lots of destitute people laying off to the sides of the road in fields and ditches and some of them rose up and started following him, but I was also made aware that not everyone were allowed to come, it was never made clear to me if I was allowed to come and follow, but I kept stumbling after him anyway.

**HectorOfTroy** · 12-10-2023, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Aila

But aren’t we back into the mental concepts here again …. & who is and who isn't conceptually ‘right’?
The Protestants being ‘right’ are assured to go to Heaven because of their Faith & belief in Grace.
The Catholics being iffy because they rely on Faith & their belief in Good Works.
No?

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I had posted this video before as I loved this sermon on THE Light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e7j...OrthodoxChurch

The Light that permeates and illumines ALL – doesn’t divide. It cannot. And nobody, no thing can own it.

You mean belief then, not "mental concept" assent to a mental concept doesn't save anyone. Salvation is defined as belief in the heart meaning you know the gospel is true and you accept Jesus' sacrifice as being for you, it is not "that sounds nice to me" but a knowing it is true and an acceptance that follows afterwards.

The Light that permeates and illumines ALL – doesn’t divide. It cannot. And nobody, no thing can own it.

Good should always divide evil. That is perverse to think that evil does not exist or should not be divided form good given all the horrible things in the world. You cannot love goodness if you don't hate what rapes what is good. There is nothing inherently wrong about division, it's not like you don't have a choice to walk onto the other side of the divide if you wanted to. What's wrong with division in a world where good and evil exist? It must be divide, you are suppressing your moral conscience by saying otherwise.

And we don't own the truth, we simply believe in it.