Do you consider Bulgarians Slavic?

[Psycho]

Seems we have a another troll account

Whatever you are saying
Even majority of "Donauschwaben" are coming from B-AVAR-ia

[Russki]

Linguistically yes, but physically and ancestrally I consider them closer to Greeks than to Ukrainians/Russians/Poles/Belarusians.

Iron Age samples from Western Russia will be published this year and it's uncertain if Russians will come out even 50% autosomally Slavic.

I speculate that they will come out as a missing link in the Finnish-Estonian-Mordovian group.

[Sylvanas]

Seems we have a another troll account

[Psycho]

Ha-ha-ha

[Varda]

Even Croats are Turkic
Hrvat comes from khan Kubrat
Croats are descendants of Avars

According to all Europeans are of Turkic origin except Serbs.

[Psycho]

According to all Europeans are of Turkic origin except Serbs.

Many Serbs are ex-Bulgarians though

[Varda]

Seems we have a another troll account

I thought Psycho is Turkish troll. But i saw he know Serbian language, before that he said he is Bulgarian from area near border with Serbia. It seems he is Bulgarian turanist weirdo. Other Bulgarians from this forum and Serbian ones don't like when someone asslciate their nation with Turkic roots, some of them even claim old Bulgars were not Turkic but Iranic.

[Psycho]

I thought Psycho is Turkish troll. But i saw he know Serbian language, before that he said he is Bugarian from area near border with Serbia. It seems he is Bulgarian turanist weirdo. Other Bulgarians from this forum and Serbian ones don't like when someone assiciate their nation with Turkic roots, some of them even claim old Bulgars were not Turkic but Iranic.

Majority of Bulgarians (today) are anti-Turanist, unfortunately
I used to be myself, but after disovering how wonderful Turan history is, it would be silly for me to remain a wannabe Thracian

[Demirkazık]

Maybe, but less likely. The turkic language was more popular and widespread in the steppe. If old magyars were really bilingual and also native turkic speakers then it makes no sense to choose the less common finno-ugric language as first language. In the hungarian language, the basic vocabulary is still predominantly finno-ugric, not turkic, it proves that the core of magyars were a finno-ugric folk, and this core is the oldest. Of course magyar nomads maybe used the turkic language as second language (just like english nowadays) but it was not their native language in general.

Circumstantial bilingualism, with elite influence it is.

Thats nonsense.

Why? Mislabeling does occur in studies of this nature. Some of the elites and conquerors in that paper were almost entirely, if not completely, of mixed Turkic descent, even those who weren't had a genetic profile similar to the Bashkirs, and Siberian Tatars. Which is understandable, as both of these groups share a similar genetic composition with the Conqueror Magyars.

How do you know that turkics were in high number among nomad magyars? The turkic shifted elite does not represent the whole population.

My speculation is based on currently sampled individuals from the Avar, Árpád, and Conqueror periods. Among these samples, one or two individuals exhibited a genetic profile similar to the fully Ugric individual from Kusnarenkovo Karajakupovo. This indicates that the language bearers of the Ugric Magyars may not had as strong genetic influence as the Turkic populations. Because of that, it appears that the Turkic groups likely constituted the majority of the population.

I'm a bit busy now, but if you're interested, I can provide their sample IDs once I finish my current task.

[vanillachai]

I consider all populations that predominantly speak a Slavic language to be Slavic and Eastern European.

I think it's getting bogged down by an autistic level of details to be like "oh but Bulgarians have some trace Turkic ancestry" or "oh but Czechs really want to be German so we might as well let them pretend" or "oh Belarussians are more Baltic than anything". I think broad cultural categories are fine and reflect the overall belonging of the group better than sperging out over meaningless details and/or what the group wishes to be seen as. What do they function as today? Who are they most similar to today? Who are their closest relatives today? If you need a DNA test to figure it out, you're coming to the wrong conclusions. Bulgarians are Balkan Slavic people.