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    People from my village





    I'm at the rear looking at my camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HispaniaSagrada View Post
    That's Lisbon. You don't really see that in the north and I suspect in most of the rest of the country. In the north where I was even if you're "white" but you're not Portuguese or they know you're not from there you'll often you're looked at with suspicion if they think you don't belong
    That's not really true, people outside of Lisbon, north included, are very welcoming to foreigners. That doesn't mean they want to shag them, though.

    It's true that non-white are less of a common sight in the north (and elsewhere in the country, really), and mixed couples are usually not as well accepted as in Lisbon, since most of the country isn't nearly as globalized. For example Lisbon is classified as a "Alpha -" city, that's the fourth highest ranking, whereas Porto is only "Gamma -". You can imagine where cities like Braga, Viseu or Vila Real would stand. Lisbon is as close to a melting pot you'll get in the country, everywhere else things are much more native.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    everywhere else things are much more native.
    As I like them to be.

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    Lisbon is full of mixed people? It is, but it still is mainly portuguese.
    It comes with being a big city and heart of a former empire. Other western capitals are full of mixed people as well, but apparently Madrid is not. At least according to spanish posters, or spanish immigrants in the UK?

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    Well me being a Lisboner. I can tell you all that mixed race couples are not well accepted(The Women if White will be a motive of conversation).As for the Negro we live with them(No choice)But that's It.I live in London at the moment and It's much worst.

    And even In Lisbon the Negros live in most cases In secluded ghettos.(Well nice neighbourhoods turn to shit by the animals)And not everywhere.

    Interesting the fact that not many Negros live in the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catrau View Post
    People from my village





    I'm at the rear looking at my camera.
    In the first photo the girl in the middle and the guy could pass in Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas View Post
    In the first photo the girl in the middle and the guy could pass in Britain.
    The Atlantic facade phenotypic phenomenon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HispaniaSagrada View Post
    That last sentence isn't making much sense to me because they are both, culturally and linguistically.



    By the U.S. definition of Hispanic even the Spaniards aren't Hispanic. Hispanic here, in politics, means "following after the customs of and speaking the language of Spain (Castile)," which (in a way) makes sense because, at least here, the -IC suffix means "following after the customs of" the prefix (hispano).

    That's fairly recent though because in early America both the lusophone and castilophone countries of Latin America were all called the Hispanic nations or Hispanic America.

    Hispano should mean Spanish and Portuguese because it refers to something from history. But Anglophones won't say Hispano, instead they would just say Spanish because they use "Spain" for Hispania and Spain. For Spain the word should just be Spanish. If they refer to history before the kingdom of Spain they should just say Iberia, but they usually don't. I don't know why. Maybe Iberia is funny to say. I think the word sounds like some kind of emerald or other jewel or something. In Spain you don't have that problem because you can say hispano and you can say hispanico and they don't mean the same thing. In English you can't do that.

    I just went and looked out of curiosity and what is relieving to me is that Real Academia Espanola has it correct and agrees with me:

    hispano, na.

    (Del lat. Hispānus).

    1. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a Hispania. CHECKMATE

    2. adj. espańol. Apl. a pers., u. t. c. s.

    And these are last...

    3. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a las naciones de Hispanoamérica.

    4. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a la población de origen hispanoamericano que vive en los Estados Unidos de América.

    5. m. y f. Persona de ese origen que vive en los Estados Unidos de América.


    So you see, like I said, it's contextual (in red). What I believe it' saying is "that's not what it really means but that's what people in the U.S.A. say so we included it in our definition" and it's probably only there because the U.S.A. is significant in the world, otherwise it wouldn't even be included in the Spanish dictionary. Spanish speakers from Latin America have a tendency (at least when I hear them in the U.S.) to call themselves "hispano" for hispanic when they are speaking Spanish. But they can only do that because they live in the U.S.

    It's as if it's all nonsense the way the word is used but because it's so ingrained they have to go along with it.

    Now, again like I said, hispanico means something else. From Real Academia:

    hispánico, ca.

    (Del lat. Hispanĭcus).

    1. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a Espańa.

    2. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a la antigua Hispania o a los pueblos que formaron parte de ella y a los que nacieron de estos pueblos en época posterior.

    3. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a la lengua y la cultura espańolas. Dialectalismo hispánico. Tradición hispánica.


    I have a feeling this word is more correctly used when referring to things and not to people but maybe I'm wrong.

    I used to argue that Latin Americans weren't hispanic either and that the word is misused, until it occurred to me that it is a prefix and a suffix and then I found out what the suffix means. I have no problem saying hispanic within an American social/political context. I'm not hispanic in America. The history in America is weird and I have better things to do than to argue with it.

    No word is perfect really. I could nit pick on most of them. Language is all screwed up. But me, I'm gonna say what I want to say that makes sense to me, regardless of the convention.
    Nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post
    Well me being a Lisboner. I can tell you all that mixed race couples are not well accepted(The Women if White will be a motive of conversation).As for the Negro we live with them(No choice)But that's It.I live in London at the moment and It's much worst.

    And even In Lisbon the Negros live in most cases In secluded ghettos.(Well nice neighbourhoods turn to shit by the animals)And not everywhere.

    Interesting the fact that not many Negros live in the South.
    Negroids and Moroccans are a plague in Flanders too. See only a few in Brittany, however. Mainly in Brest, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasconcelos View Post
    That's not really true, people outside of Lisbon, north included, are very welcoming to foreigners. That doesn't mean they want to shag them, though.

    It's true that non-white are less of a common sight in the north (and elsewhere in the country, really), and mixed couples are usually not as well accepted as in Lisbon, since most of the country isn't nearly as globalized. For example Lisbon is classified as a "Alpha -" city, that's the fourth highest ranking, whereas Porto is only "Gamma -". You can imagine where cities like Braga, Viseu or Vila Real would stand. Lisbon is as close to a melting pot you'll get in the country, everywhere else things are much more native.
    Part of my mother's family is from way up north (Moncao) and the attitude towards the one or two blacks (and mixed Brazilians.etc.) that appear from time to time is certainly not one of inclusion. The "macaco" word is often used to describe them.

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