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Last edited by Synapsid; 02-01-2020 at 11:10 AM.
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Actually Malaysian and Indonesian economies are completely under the control non-Muslim Han. Singapore is also their miracle.
Were it not for American support to Muslim Malays and Austronesian elements in order to counter Chinese effect, the Chinese minorities would also take the control too.
As for Turkey, secularism enabled the country to modernize ever since the end of Ottoman era. However, with the rise of Muslim Arab nationalists (Ottoman Nostalgists etc) the once prospering country has redefined its orientation and stated to face towards countries such as Yemen or Afghanistan.
Value given to human life or overall life quality dropped dramatically in Turkey and continues to drop.
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How would you compare N.E Asians and Nothern Euros to MENA from your experience? And do you believe that Turkic people have the potential to do better? How is Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman dream impacting Turkey in a negative way?
Sorry for the mouthful questions but I would to see a Turks opinion on the matter
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You are obviously Georgian and next to Turkey, if you travel to Turkey at regular intervals you would see the effects of increasing Ottomanism, Islam and integration with MENA.
Istanbul is being overcrowded and life is losing quality (becoming like Egypt or India), Turks being forced to pay higher taxes to feed Muslims, destruction of private property concept, removing gates and opening the country borders to anyone.
A path leading to national destruction.
A path justified and promoted by that religion.
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Sure. Last regional elections were won by secularist party which wants to depart from Middle Eastern phylosophy.
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Persia isn't Primitive
Pakistan = nuclear power
Turkey = doing well
Egypt = doing OK
Arabs are primitive, certain MENA sectarian tribal wars due to massive CNN, TIMES coverage.
Let's say.. CNN won't say how good Turkey is or How Iran is doing well, they will only show you some lunatics chopping heads.
If you curate your news from such media of course you will observe muslims as backward.
Also Ottoman Empire ruled mediterranean for 500+ years.. that isn't backwardness.
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