Andrew Tate arrested in Romania

[Aldaris]

Preventive detention system is designed well, the executives won't raid your home just like that. If the evidence is not stuck up against you already, you won't go to a jail (most of the time). This is not the case with him. The evidence is here and the actual court could take years to happen. Thus, behind the steel door he belongs.

[oszkar07]

Preventive detention system is designed well, the executives won't raid your home just like that. If the evidence is not stuck up against you already, you won't go to a jail (most of the time). This is not the case with him. The evidence is here and the actual court could take years to happen. Thus, behind the steel door he belongs.

Supposedly they been investigating since April last year and this isnt like an investigation into twin tower terror attack its not even a murder investigation.
From whats understood these guys have not even been charged yet so its quite odd
they are being kept in prison for such long time without even being charged. In most 1st world countries person cannot be detained this long if they have not been charged. Why would it take this long to proceed with a charge if there is already strong evidence. What they wait for ...do they hoping for a me too ,ovement against Tate brothers , already several women who worked for him are supportive of him and not willing to give statements against him. So from logic usually if already enough evidence is in place the next logic step is to put charges ...so why no charges have been applied.

[SouthDutch7991]

It depends on how you define traditional. In the past it wasn't unheard of for men to "date left and right", by past I mean all human history not just the last 1000 years of christianity and forced monogamy. We have much more female than male ancestors. Weak men (who were poor + mentally/physically deficient) did not breed. Even when Europe was strongly christian, wealthy men tended to have large amount of offsprings from multiple women. https://www.theguardian.com/science/...uman-gene-pool

Not really the case, at least once farming shows up. The narure of agricultural socities necessitates more or less monogamous relationships. Keep in mind 90% of the population were farmers before 1900. Actually, the total decline of agricultural lifestyles in the last century has probably been a major cause for our current social state.

[Aldaris]

Supposedly they been investigating since April last year and this isnt like an investigation into twin tower terror attack its not even a murder investigation.
From whats understood these guys have not even been charged yet so its quite odd
they are being kept in prison for such long time without even being charged. In most 1st world countries person cannot be detained this long if they have not been charged. Why would it take this long to proceed with a charge if there is already strong evidence. What they wait for ...do they hoping for a me too ,ovement against Tate brothers , already several women who worked for him are supportive of him and not willing to give statements against him. So from logic usually if already enough evidence is in place the next logic step is to put charges ...so why no charges have been applied.

Oszkar, I don't have anything against you, but you don't seem to understand how the law enforcement works. You are confusing being charged with being convicted. They are actually charged with human trafficking and rape among other things. They are just not convicted yet. See, you don't have to be a convict to be placed in a jail. And you usually get charged out of the blue.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/11/2...gation-romania

There is a strong evidence, but as I've said, in cases like that, it can take years for the persecutors to win.

[oszkar07]

Oszkar, I don't have anything against you, but you don't seem to understand how the law enforcement works. You are confusing being charged with being convicted. They are actually charged with human trafficking and rape among other things. They are just not convicted yet. See, you don't have to be a convict to be placed in a jail. And you usually get charged out of the blue.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/11/2...gation-romania

There is a strong evidence, but as I've said, in cases like that, it can take years for the persecutors to win.

Im not the one confusing anything !

and No they have not been charged yet.

They have been arrested and they are under suspicion and investigation for those allegations.

3 seperate things

being arrested means the person is a suspect of committing a crime and they are detained by police for
questioning and investigation of the crime.


if the police and prosecutor determine there is enough evidence for the person to be potentially found guilty of the allegation then the person will be charged which means they must face court for the specific charge or charges given.In most 1st world countries there is a limited time a suspect can
be held under arrest if a charge has not been laid. Meaning if the Police dont apply a charge over a certain time they must release the suspect. Being arrested as a suspect and being charged are 2 different things. When a charge is made the person can potentially be detained in prison untill facing court but bail can be applied for with conditions but this depends on nature of offense as to if bail will be granted.

After the person is charged with a specific crime they then have the option to plead guilty or not guilty, usually pleading guilty has some incentive that there will be some potential reduction of any fines and potential reduction of sentence (depending nature of the crime/offense. Otherwise they can plead not guilty which means they can then defend themselves in court through their legal representation against the charges.

Conviction is simply when a person is found guilty of the offense/charges.

So yeh I do understand and according to what seems to be written in the media they have not been charged.


I just googled have the Tate brothers been "Charged",

The pair have been held since late December as Romanian police investigate allegations of rape and exploitation.

Tate and his brother both deny the allegations against them.

Authorities claim the brothers have been part of a group that exploited women by forcing them to create pornographic content.

No charges have been brought against the brothers yet. As they have not been charged, they have not yet had the chance to plead guilty or not guilty.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64347211

[oszkar07]

Oszkar, I don't have anything against you, but you don't seem to understand how the law enforcement works. You are confusing being charged with being convicted. They are actually charged with human trafficking and rape among other things. They are just not convicted yet. See, you don't have to be a convict to be placed in a jail. And you usually get charged out of the blue.

Objection !!!

I note again for the record that no charges have been laid to date.

I now further defer to recent comments from Dutch EU politician.

[Aldaris]

Objection !!!

I note again for the record that no charges have been laid to date.

I now further defer to recent comments from Dutch EU politician.

You've already made your point, but we will see who will have the last laugh. It will be the prosecutors. They are determined to win this case and so they probably will. Reply to me again in a few weeks, not in four days. It's not the norm, agreed, I blame the prosecutors for not putting the charges earlier, so the ones like you have an excuse to complain about something. Even a state attorney is a human and can make a mistake (or was just lazy). But that ultimately means nothing. We'll see soon enough.

[oszkar07]

You've already made your point, but we will see who will have the last laugh. It will be the prosecutors. They are determined to win this case and so they probably will. Reply to me again in a few weeks, not in four days. It's not the norm, agreed, I blame the prosecutors for not putting the charges earlier, so the ones like you have an excuse to complain about something. Even a state attorney is a human and can make a mistake (or was just lazy). But that ultimately means nothing. We'll see soon enough.

Its not about ones like me,in fact I am not specifily an Andrew Tate fan and I am not certain of his innocence.But I do believe people should be treated fairly in conjunction with human rights. It occurs to me the way the case has been handled seems strange and in my oppinion unfair that he is being held so long without charges laid or evidence being demonstrated. Which makes me wonder if a lot of this may be trumped up or exxagerated charges or perhaps this is all done on flimsy evidence, but that is what we are all waiting to see.

When charges are laid the Police have to show what they have got in terms of evidence.Thats when he can actually defend himself through his legal defense, first he has to know on what grounds charges are being laid, meaning what is the evidedence specifically.
This shouldnt be about a lazy prosecutor, in the first world at least there is a standard. Which is the person cannot be held past a certain time on an arrest if charges are not laid.Also the standard is innocent untill proven guilty, The burden of proof is on the prosecution to "prove his guilt of the charges laid",, So far we heard about accusations we didnt hear what specific charges. Again the charges have to be based on evidence.

The strange thing is he has supposedly been investigated since April 2022.
So since the December arrest, what are they waiting for, if they are going to charge they should do it.
Are they hoping more girls would come forward and they havn;t ?
Are they hoping the ones in jail with him will testify against him to get out of prison?

Even in a poker game you cant hold your cards for ever, you can bluff all you want with bets but at some time you have to show your cards and say ok this is what I got.

[HannibaltheGreat]

[SilverKnight]

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