Fertility rate world map 2024

[Petalpusher]

so what you're saying is Musk is willing to exploit morally sane, hard-working and intelligent individuals in order to attain his goals of energy sustainability. Basically prioritize his energy goals over the well-being of some of whom seem to be among the most intelligent people, and waste their most precious assets, their brain and their time, to maintain growth, energy production and future technological advancements. Seems to be his next new thing imho and as you said earlier he's a megalomaniac, that's how I see it. He says he's a technologist, OK, but what's the role of human? Until his utopia is created, it's gonna require hard work, for the whole population of the planet. I'm not willing to work in his gigafactories, personally. Not bothered enough.But then again I'm not a high-IQ disciplined Asian guy, so it could be that.

China has benefited from this, they have taken on the opportunity to become the world factory since it was a quicker and dirty way to developp by producing all sorts of crap (for us really), instead of going through painful paths of innovation. In order to achieve sustainability and "save the planet", Chinese are in a better place with their work ethic, or lack thereof from our own perspective. We try to comfort ourselves by thinking working less is more productive but it really depends what area we are talking about. They wouldn't work like that if it was not productive, it's at least a brute force way to be productive in manufacturing for now. To replace fossil energy we are gonna need shit tons of battery cells and ways to fill them up cleanly. It's gonna have to be producing them to the same magnitude like we produce plastic (dinosaur's oil juice)

Now there are other ways to get to the same point, batteries are one thing but at the end of the day we are just trying to capture and stock the energy, one way or another, from the nuclear reactor sitting in our sky. Getting our own fusion reactors would be a better solution, however Musk can't really get into that game which is governements playground for now and the technology isn't commercialy viable yet, so he is stuck with battery solutions. It's not ideal either, since we have to dig some relatively rare earth materials for it and overall still requires a lot of fuel as it stands to produce them. It can at least buy us some time, which is i think is the reasoning and compromise he is willing to make.

[catgeorge]

The moment Musk finds a way to replace staff in China with machines he will do it in a heartbeat.

The future is cost saving, high margin business.

A.I will take over accountants, law, marketing, sales, customer service etc.. any job that requires technology to function will become obscolete when AGI is released which by all measurements will be vastly more intelligent than the top 1% of humans.

[Tooting Carmen]

China has benefited from this, they have taken on the opportunity to become the world factory since it was a quicker and dirty way to developp by producing all sorts of crap (for us really), instead of going through painful paths of innovation. In order to achieve sustainability and "save the planet", Chinese are in a better place with their work ethic, or lack thereof from our own perspective. We try to comfort ourselves by thinking working less is more productive but it really depends what area we are talking about. They wouldn't work like that if it was not productive, it's at least a brute force way to be productive in manufacturing for now. To replace fossil energy we are gonna need shit tons of battery cells and ways to fill them up cleanly. It's gonna have to be producing them to the same magnitude like we produce plastic (dinosaur's oil juice)

Now there are other ways to get to the same point, batteries are one thing but at the end of the day we are just trying to capture and stock the energy, one way or another, from the nuclear reactor sitting in our sky. Getting our own fusion reactors would be a better solution, however Musk can't really get into that game which is governements playground for now and the technology isn't commercialy viable yet, so he is stuck with battery solutions. It's not ideal either, since we have to dig some relatively rare earth materials for it and overall still requires a lot of fuel as it stands to produce them. It can at least buy us some time, which is i think is the reasoning and compromise he is willing to make.

Climate change and resource depletion are real. The main problem is that there is too much emphasis on trying to change consumption patterns, whose effects will ultimately be minor but nonetheless give both governments and corporations greater control over us, and too little emphasis on production changes. Neither nuclear nor renewables are being developed at anything like the rate needed to act as a proper long term substitute for fossil fuels.

[Insuperable]

China has benefited from this, they have taken on the opportunity to become the world factory since it was a quicker and dirty way to developp by producing all sorts of crap (for us really), instead of going through painful paths of innovation. In order to achieve sustainability and "save the planet", Chinese are in a better place with their work ethic, or lack thereof from our own perspective. We try to comfort ourselves by thinking working less is more productive but it really depends what area we are talking about. They wouldn't work like that if it was not productive, it's at least a brute force way to be productive in manufacturing for now. To replace fossil energy we are gonna need shit tons of battery cells and ways to fill them up cleanly. It's gonna have to be producing them to the same magnitude like we produce plastic (dinosaur's oil juice)

Now there are other ways to get to the same point, batteries are one thing but at the end of the day we are just trying to capture and stock the energy, one way or another, from the nuclear reactor sitting in our sky. Getting our own fusion reactors would be a better solution, however Musk can't really get into that game which is governements playground for now and the technology isn't commercialy viable yet, so he is stuck with battery solutions. It's not ideal either, since we have to dig some relatively rare earth materials for it and overall still requires a lot of fuel as it stands to produce them. It can at least buy us some time, which is i think is the reasoning and compromise he is willing to make.

I too agree that the West has turned China into modern sophisticated slavery or most probably China did it willingly. They produce items for the West and in the meantime you can't walk in parts of China without mask due to pollution.

The West turned willingly or not into seller of intelectual properties instead of production. (Coca Cola no longer produces, but simply sells rights to others to produce locally, many Western electronics company simply sell their intelectual rights for others to produce, 70% of world's ship engines are intelectual property of I think MAN company, engines are produced by third parties), etc.

All that will eventually bounce off the head and in some time in the future due to reverse Flynn effect in the Western countries and with it the lack of sophisticated human resource both manufacturing and intellectual property will be in East Asia.

[Kess]

As a zoomer I am aware that aint going to retire. Ive decided to not reproduce as well.

I've always thought you are guy in his 30s or 40s because you are bald lol.

[Cernunnos]

What is?

Booming African population and a native European population going near extinction in the next 4-5 decades.

Also most of those African countries will be ovecrowded. Well if the world wants to be like Haiti or a dystopic robotic AI version of Haiti, it's up to them...

[Tooting Carmen]

Booming African population and a native European population going near extinction in the next 4-5 decades.

Also most of those African countries will be ovecrowded. Well if the world wants to be like Haiti or a dystopic robotic AI version of Haiti, it's up to them...

Most population and demographic predictions are deeply unreliable. Two words: Paul Ehrlich. We don't know that SSA populations are going to massively explode, even disregarding potential wars, famines, diseases or indeed (just like everywhere else) decreasing birth rates.

[Dušan]

[CosmoLady]

well, obviously, the goal in Africa, is not production, but re-production. The African paradigm is winning, unfortunately for both you and me, despite our totally different political views.
If you want the Chinese model, with robots and authoritarian leaders, deciding what you do for at least a third of your day (in the most optimistic scenario, that is), you can keep supporting this freely. However, the Africans have already reached China (and the chinese are already in Africa too, let's see how that goes : my guess is africans will be exploited by Chinks, and procreate even further, and come to Europe to save themselves).

As you know there are other countries in East Asia besides China that are automated. I don't support the Chinese model.

The future of Africans sadly seems to be slave labour in Africa for rare earth metals and other resources,
(which will become or already is a fiefdom of foreign corporations),
or welfare subsistence, low wages, crime, and/or drug addiction in Western countries.
Western cities and societies are POPULATION SINKS that reduce the fertility rates of their inhabitants,
while always replacing their disappearing inhabitants with new ones from all over the world.

I don't think that any serious number of Africans will come to China,
because China is a serious country unlike most Western countries.

[Tooting Carmen]

As you know there are other countries in East Asia besides China that are automated. I don't support the Chinese model.

The future of Africans sadly seems to be slave labour in Africa for rare earth metals and other resources,
or welfare subsistence, low wages, crime, and/or drug addiction in Western countries.
Western cities and societies are POPULATION SINKS that reduce the fertility rates of their inhabitants,
while always replacing their disappearing inhabitants with new ones from all over the world.

I don't think that any serious number of Africans will come to China,
because China is a serious country unlike most Western countries.

Not as many as in some Western countries, but Guangzhou in particular has a substantial African population nowadays. But yes, the demand for lithium to power electric cars has already created mass child labour in the Congo. As well as the minerals used to make mobile phones.