Ideology and Racial Differences?

[Tooting Carmen]

Like it or not its scientific fact that blacks have lower IQ. Afro-americans are much worse student than whites, and east asians are the best in the schools. Dont deny the reality

You are in large measure confusing causes and effects though. African-Americans are the descendants of involuntary migrants who, even after slavery ended, lived under extremely discriminatory legislation that severely restricted their rights to property and voting for a long time. East Asians are mostly selected immigrants from the best-educated strata of their own societies. (Even South Asians in the US are too).

Also, what about variation in (real or perceived) differences of IQ, intelligence and academic/economic success within races/continents? Finland and Albania aren't the same, after all. For that matter, Koreans in Japan tend to do much less well than ethnic Japanese, since they are a marginalised group there, even though Japan and Korea have similar IQ levels and (in the case of the South) similar levels of economic performance. And in the UK, Indians tend to do a lot better than Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and similarly West Africans compared to Somalis and Caribbeans, because of the different nature of those migrations to begin with and their different cultural values and priorities.

Btw, the lowest-performing group of all in the UK are White working-class boys. (Yes I know that doesn't accord with the shibboleths of either Left or Right, but facts are facts).

[Blondie]

You are in large measure confusing causes and effects though. African-Americans are the descendants of involuntary migrants who, even after slavery ended, lived under extremely discriminatory legislation that severely restricted their rights to property and voting for a long time. East Asians are mostly selected immigrants from the best-educated strata of their own societies. (Even South Asians in the US are too).

So present afro-americans are worse students in 2024, because their ancestors were slaves 150 years ago? wow

[Tooting Carmen]

So present afro-americans are worse students in 2024, because their ancestors were slaves 150 years ago? wow

(1) Jim Crow - the US version of Apartheid - long outlived slavery. The crucial fact is that, beyond a minority of exceptions, you cannot escape the legacy of systematic discrimination and poverty overnight, at least not en masse. (2) I do agree that intelligence is at least partly genetic, and the point is that being descendants of involuntary migrants who were abducted and enslaved by both corrupt and greedy African cheftains and White businesspeople and landowners is going to leave a much weaker legacy among their offspring than voluntary migrants from Europe and Asia who are enterprising and intelligent (even if not always academically well-educated) from the start.

[Tooting Carmen]

In any case, middle-class African Americans aren't the unicorns that various identitarians and racial determinists on both the Left and Right think, even though they do remain on average the poorest and least academically-suceesful major racial group bar Hispanics.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ethnicity-2018
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-ABOVE-average

[Petalpusher]

(1) Jim Crow - the US version of Apartheid - long outlived slavery. The crucial fact is that, beyond a minority of exceptions, you cannot escape the legacy of systematic discrimination and poverty overnight, at least not en masse. (2) I do agree that intelligence is at least partly genetic, and the point is that being descendants of involuntary migrants who were abducted and enslaved by both corrupt and greedy African cheftains and White businesspeople and landowners is going to leave a much weaker legacy among their offspring than voluntary migrants from Europe and Asia who are enterprising and intelligent (even if not always academically well-educated) from the start.

Aframs have higher IQ than Africans from Africa, likely in part because they are mixed with whites in the US (25% or so white). I don't think it has anything to do with historical slavery.

[Tooting Carmen]

Aframs have higher IQ than Africans from Africa, likely in part because they are mixed with whites in the US (25% or so white).

On that basis, do Blacks in Colombia and Brazil have even hiqher IQ than Aframs, given how their average White admixture is even higher?

[Blondie]

(1) Jim Crow - the US version of Apartheid - long outlived slavery. The crucial fact is that, beyond a minority of exceptions, you cannot escape the legacy of systematic discrimination and poverty overnight, at least not en masse. (2) I do agree that intelligence is at least partly genetic, and the point is that being descendants of involuntary migrants who were abducted and enslaved by both corrupt and greedy African cheftains and White businesspeople and landowners is going to leave a much weaker legacy among their offspring than voluntary migrants from Europe and Asia who are enterprising and intelligent (even if not always academically well-educated) from the start.

What about the black students in Sweden? There was no slave holding in Sweden, neither racial opression on blacks, but interesting fact the swedish black students are much worse in the school than ethnic swedes. Makes no sense to deny the reality, there are visible differences between races.

[Petalpusher]

On that basis, do Blacks in Colombia and Brazil have even hiqher IQ than Aframs, given how their average White admixture is even higher?

Very possibly? Brazil is at about 85 on average so that's for sure a lot higher than Africans.

[Lioncourt]

Aframs have higher IQ than Africans from Africa, likely in part because they are mixed with whites in the US (25% or so white). I don't think it has anything to do with historical slavery.

IQ tests are not completely unbiased. They are influenced by maths and language education. Flynn effect is an example of that, past IQ scores are lower than modern in most countries, even more so in third world.

[Tooting Carmen]

Very possibly? Brazil is at about 85 on average so that's for sure a lot higher than Africans.

Yes but what about Afro-Brazilians? Most pertinently, how do they compare to Afro-Americans?