Do you consider Bulgarians Slavic?

[Voskos]

Well, that´s about vocabulary, I mean language, and Hungarian is not Slavic nor Romance or Germanic, it´s not even Indoeuropean, it´s a similar case as Finnish,Lapp, Estonian, karelian or Basque, but the later it´s isolate and the others are on the same "family".

yes, my bad, I didn't get your point on first read.

[MandM]

Linguistically: Yes
Genetically : No

[Lioncourt]

Slavic is linguistic term, we speak Slavic language for centuries, therefor we are Slavic. End of story

Exactly, it's as simple as that.

[Vitez]

They are like other South Slavs, mixed with native Balkan people.
But the Slavic input is maybe the lowest of all Slavs, I'm not sure.

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00760623
37.5 Native_Balkan_Roman_Empire
34.7 Balto-Slavic
21.3 Balkans_East_Med_settler
4.2 RUS_VolgaOka_IA
1.9 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_steppe

[Varda]

Linguistically: Yes
Genetically : No

Bulgarians are not predominantly Slavic genetically, but they are significant Slavic.

They are like other South Slavs,
mixed with native Balkan people.
But the Slavic input is maybe the lowest of all Slavs, I'm not sure.

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00760623
37.5 Native_Balkan_Roman_Empire
34.7 Balto-Slavic
21.3 Balkans_East_Med_settler
4.2 RUS_VolgaOka_IA
1.9 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_steppe

Macedonians are Slavic speakers with the lowest Slavic genetic input, after them are Bulgarians.

[Blondie]

In Byzantine sources even old Magyars/Hungarians were called Turks.

Yes in political sense. In the medieval age, there was no such "nation" term like nowadays, they refered to only the elite in general. Just like we call the Golden Horde as mongols because of their elite, but in the reality these nomads were mostly turkic not mongolian.

Probably. i'm not so sure about Hungarians however, their language seems to be of diverse origins.

Most of these "uncertain" words are proto-uralic for sure, the problem is the pre-uralic language is mostly unknown. The hungarian language is still finno-ugric, but the pannonian slavs also contributed a lot to the modern hungarian genetic, language.

[Psycho]

They are like other South Slavs, mixed with native Balkan people.
But the Slavic input is maybe the lowest of all Slavs, I'm not sure.

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00760623
37.5 Native_Balkan_Roman_Empire
34.7 Balto-Slavic
21.3 Balkans_East_Med_settler
4.2 RUS_VolgaOka_IA
1.9 Germanic
0.4 Turkic_steppe

More Turkic

[Blondie]

Btw there is no any source or evidence that hungarians spoked turkic language anytime in the history, athough some magyar tribe was turkic like kabars. Obviously the turkic language was not so significant inside the 7 magyar tribe, only just some people spoked it and later it disappeared very quickly especially after the conquest of Carpathian Basin. But nomad magyars adopted many turkic word from bulgars, baskhirs and khazars. This 9,5% on the pic is not ottoman heritage, but much older.

[Anatolya]

Btw there is no any source or evidence that hungarians spoked turkic language anytime in the history, athough some magyar tribe was turkic like kabars. Obviously the turkic language was not so significant inside the 7 magyar tribe, only just some people spoked it and later it disappeared very quickly especially after the conquest of Carpathian Basin. But nomad magyars adopted many turkic word from bulgars, baskhirs and khazars. This 9,5% on the pic is not ottoman heritage, but much older.

It's because Magyars aren't and weren't Turkic. Huns and Turks used to live together as nomadic tribes under the same confederation and our connection comes from there linguistically and culturally, barely genetically (the gene-environment interaction is still significant among Szekelys i guess?). So the relation is older than the estimated.

I more or less agree with what you wrote.

[Varda]

Yes in political sense. In the medieval age, there was no such "nation" term like nowadays, they refered to only the elite in general. Just like we call the Golden Horde as mongols because of their elite, but in the reality these nomads were mostly turkic not mongolian.

Magyar conglomerate had Turkic elite and lifestyle, but Ugric people were most numerous in that conglomerate. I remember from school days in history book was written Magyars were Finno-Ugric people, but their way of life was described as typical for Turkic stepe nomads. It was weird to me because i knew Finno-Ugric people in general were peacefull fishermen and hunters, and not agressive warriors horsemen as Magyars. I that time i did not know history so good as today and for me evetything was black or white. Historical processes and ethnogenesis and are not that simple things.