How does Bulgarian sound to you?

[morski]

don`t you get bored with this cheap nationalistic propaganda?

That's history. Look at your school books for propaganda.

[kvarc]

That's history. Look at your school books for propaganda.
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yes it`s history, but a propaganda history, made up during the reign of a Bulgarian German dynasty with imperialistic aspirations over Balkans, and it was made up pretty poorly, with poor argumentation

[morski]

yes it`s history, but a propaganda history, made up during the reign of a Bulgarian German dynasty with imperialistic aspirations over Balkans, and it was made up pretty poorly, with poor argumentation

That's bullshit and you know it. I'm really tired of Serb impudence.Shame on you for taking over Macedonia when your early intelectuals unanimously agreed on its Bulgarian character. You are the ones who ignore the fact that Pomoravie voted to get in the Bulgarian Exarchate; that Torlak dialects are analytical like Bulgarian and not syntetic like Serbian. You get thought from an early age that Bulgarians are Turko-Tatars and back-stabbers, while it was you who stabbed us in the back in 1885 when we were most vulnerable. You are such a delusional thick-skinned nation, it's just unreal.

That's my last response to you, mate: Get the hell off planet Serbia (do Tokija) and get back on planet Earth, ok?

[kvarc]

And western Bulgaria speaks "ekavica" with bunch off Serbian words, does that mean they are Serbian? If we go by you logic the answer is "yes"

"voted" yes Turkish Empire was well famed for democracy and free vote, and even with Turkish support, Bulgarian Exarchate lost in north Macedonia, kosovo and south Serbia, not too mention that Serbs had to chose, in many areas, beatween Bulgarian Exarchate and Greek fanariots.

And as for Macedonia, we liberated it,that`s very clear, and you could have drawn a line beatween the more Serbian and more Bulgarian part of it, and some off the more Bulgarian part became part of Serbian,mostly as a war reparation from Bulgaria, and after Bulgarian back-stabing in the Balkan and the first world war, I really don`t give a damn.

[morski]

Several last notes:

And western Bulgaria speaks "ekavica" with bunch off Serbian words, does that mean they are Serbian? If we go by you logic the answer is "yes"

The grammar is unmistakably Bulgarian. Several lexical relics doesn't determine the foreign nature of an easily observable part of the Analytical Balkano-Slavic (aka Bulgarian) dialect continuum.

"voted" yes Turkish Empire was well famed for democracy and free vote, and even with Turkish support, Bulgarian Exarchate lost in north Macedonia, kosovo and south Serbia, not too mention that Serbs had to chose, in many areas, beatween Bulgarian Exarchate and Greek fanariots.

Yes, voted. Tell me something! Why, since they were supposedly Serb, would the Pomoravian Torlaks not petition the Sultan to extend over them the clerical autority of the state church of the Serbian principality, but instead join the rest of the Bulgarians in their struggle against the Constantinopolitan Fanariots?

Bulgaria lost Pomoravie, Kosovo and Northern Macedonia(and as a consequence the whole of the Vardar region) chiefly because:

1. Serbia was blocked by Austro-Hungary in expanding Westwards and Northwars into its rightful ethnic lands.

2. Serbia gained early a foothold in the Sanjak of Niš after the Russo-Turkish war of 1877–1878 and henceforth commenced very aggressive assimilatory policies, which spilled into Kosovo and Macedonia.

3. The inadequate policies of Russia regarding arbitrating the consequent conflicts between both principalities.

And as for Macedonia, we liberated it,that`s very clear, and you could have drawn a line beatween the more Serbian and more Bulgarian part of it, and some off the more Bulgarian part became part of Serbian,mostly as a war reparation from Bulgaria, and after Bulgarian back-stabing in the Balkan and the first world war, I really don`t give a damn.

I have to agree to the Bulgarian stubborness when it came to making concessions when it was plausible and possible.

Again. To call Bulgarians back-stabbers is an utter act of hypocricy considering 1885.

[morski]

The Appeal of the Pirot citizenry to count Dondukov Korsakov from 1878, which demanded for Pirot to be incorporated into Bulgaria, not Serbia.

Some more on the Torlaks

[kvarc]

that`s absolutely not true, Bulgarian egzerhat lost in north macedonia, kosovo, metohija, nobody wanted to vote for it there, you can check the Turskish sources for it as I did.
Bulgarians in Kosovo, you actually believe in that? hahaha that`s science fiction material.

Yes there were people who felt as Bulgarians in Pirot ( only in Pirot ) and they left for Bulgaria mostly after the liberation. But why don`t you put letter to great powers from 1878 the people of Kyustendil, for instance, who said they are not Bulgarians and that they want to be part of Serbia.

Not a single respectable linguist calls serbian south dialects part of Bulgarian, even the Bulgarian scientince don`t call it that anymore,for instance they call some of the western Bulgarian dialects, transitional dialects with Serbian. It`s been proven allready that serbian southern dialects, or "prizrensko-timocki dijalekt" as it is called, had been developed from "stokavica". And we actually have lot`s od dialects that don`t use casses, or have only few of them.

Serbian backstabing killed 700 Bulgarians, and the whole nation was against it, and Bulgarian back stab killed 100 000 at least of Serbs, and had a nation wide support

is this Bulgarian?

"
АНТОЛОГИЈА СРПСКЕ КЊИЖЕВНОСТИКОШТАНА
53
(одлучно,зловољно):
Нећу! Зашта, куда да бежим?СТОЈАН
(посрћек њој ивади нож):
Зар ме ти не волиш?КОШТАНА
(уплашена, моли):
Не, Стојане! Не убиј ме! Љубим те и молим! Немој! Болнасам! Не смем! Не могу!
(Крши руке.)
Ох, шта ја могу?
(Зловољно):
Ја, Циганка! У Бању, у село, тамо је моје! Тамо, на мокру земљу, на голи камен да седим, да се сушим,да гинем, венем!... А код тебе! Нећу, не смем...СТОЈАН
(занесено, испрекидано):...
»На голи камен,... да седи, вене, гине... Не сме...Неће... Не може«...КОШТАНА Нећу! Не могу! Код тебе! Зар само код тебе? и само хаџију, оца твога и мајку твоју да дворим и да служим? Да пред њима клечим и ноге да им перем? Из собе да неизиђем, већ само да седим, ћутим, трпим?
(Изван себе.)
Ох! А кад ноћ падне, месечинадође, сан не хвата, око се рашири, снага разигра... шта онда?... Зар да се не мрднем, изсобе не изиђем, већ само ту да седим, ћутим, гледам у месечину... А ноћ дубока,месечина иде, греје, удара у чело, главу пали... Шта онда?
(Одлучно):
Ох, нећу! Убијме! Нећу! Ево, убиј!СТОЈАН
(одбија је руком):
А не!
(Посрће, хвата се за чело.)
Их! А ја њу толико волео! имајку, оца, кућу бацио, само њу гледао, на њу мислио!... А она!
(Сломљено виче Марку):
Марко! Иди и обрадуј мајку и кажи јој:
беше моје! (Коштани):
А ти? Кажими, да ли си ме бар кадгод волела, те да знам зашто ћу да венем?
Ларма,свирка сватовца јача. Чујесе крцкање кола, батногу.
СТОЈАН
(нагиње се надКоштаном):
Кажи ми!КОШТАНА
(бесно):
Нисам! Никога нисам волела! И никад нећу да волим!"

[arcticwolf]

I understood more than I expected. But it's different from the two Slavic languages I understand the best Polish and Russian.

[morski]

that`s absolutely not true, Bulgarian egzerhat lost in north macedonia, kosovo, metohija, nobody wanted to vote for it there, you can check the Turskish sources for it as I did.
Bulgarians in Kosovo, you actually believe in that? hahaha that`s science fiction material.

Yes there were people who felt as Bulgarians in Pirot ( only in Pirot ) and they left for Bulgaria mostly after the liberation. But why don`t you put letter to great powers from 1878 the people of Kyustendil, for instance, who said they are not Bulgarians and that they want to be part of Serbia.

Not a single respectable linguist calls serbian south dialects part of Bulgarian, even the Bulgarian scientince don`t call it that anymore,for instance they call some of the western Bulgarian dialects, transitional dialects with Serbian. It`s been proven allready that serbian southern dialects, or "prizrensko-timocki dijalekt" as it is called, had been developed from "stokavica". And we actually have lot`s od dialects that don`t use casses, or have only few of them.

Serbian backstabing killed 700 Bulgarians, and the whole nation was against it, and Bulgarian back stab killed 100 000 at least of Serbs, and had a nation wide support

is this Bulgarian?

"
АНТОЛОГИЈА СРПСКЕ КЊИЖЕВНОСТИКОШТАНА
53
(одлучно,зловољно):
Нећу! Зашта, куда да бежим?СТОЈАН
(посрћек њој ивади нож):
Зар ме ти не волиш?КОШТАНА
(уплашена, моли):
Не, Стојане! Не убиј ме! Љубим те и молим! Немој! Болнасам! Не смем! Не могу!
(Крши руке.)
Ох, шта ја могу?
(Зловољно):
Ја, Циганка! У Бању, у село, тамо је моје! Тамо, на мокру земљу, на голи камен да седим, да се сушим,да гинем, венем!... А код тебе! Нећу, не смем...СТОЈАН
(занесено, испрекидано):...
»На голи камен,... да седи, вене, гине... Не сме...Неће... Не може«...КОШТАНА Нећу! Не могу! Код тебе! Зар само код тебе? и само хаџију, оца твога и мајку твоју да дворим и да служим? Да пред њима клечим и ноге да им перем? Из собе да неизиђем, већ само да седим, ћутим, трпим?
(Изван себе.)
Ох! А кад ноћ падне, месечинадође, сан не хвата, око се рашири, снага разигра... шта онда?... Зар да се не мрднем, изсобе не изиђем, већ само ту да седим, ћутим, гледам у месечину... А ноћ дубока,месечина иде, греје, удара у чело, главу пали... Шта онда?
(Одлучно):
Ох, нећу! Убијме! Нећу! Ево, убиј!СТОЈАН
(одбија је руком):
А не!
(Посрће, хвата се за чело.)
Их! А ја њу толико волео! имајку, оца, кућу бацио, само њу гледао, на њу мислио!... А она!
(Сломљено виче Марку):
Марко! Иди и обрадуј мајку и кажи јој:
беше моје! (Коштани):
А ти? Кажими, да ли си ме бар кадгод волела, те да знам зашто ћу да венем?
Ларма,свирка сватовца јача. Чујесе крцкање кола, батногу.
СТОЈАН
(нагиње се надКоштаном):
Кажи ми!КОШТАНА
(бесно):
Нисам! Никога нисам волела! И никад нећу да волим!"

Well, show this letter to us. Never heard of it.

Yes, that text is more Bulgarian than Serb even though it was probably written down some time after Pomoravie was already Serbian and some convergence with standard Serbian has occured.

What did the Exarchate lose, what Turkish sources, what five Euro???

[kvarc]

I don`t have time for it, find the turkish census, Bulgarian Egzerhat was forced on a lot of people, not to mention that they often had to chose between Greeks and Bulgarians, Turks preferred Bulgarian egzerhat over rebellious Serbian Church because they established it, Sultan personaly sign the document.

That is an authentic language from Vranje, don`t trust everything you hear.


And as for the petition, there were petitions in western Bulgaria including in parts that were not held by Serbian army, but you`ll have too find it for yourself, do your own homework