Which is a better political partner for Bulgaria - EU or Russia?

[Trun]

I care because Bulgaria joining the EU seems forced and all the main EU countries see us as unworthy economic partners. Massive, uncontrolled Bulgarian immigration is harming their countries and creating an even more negative image of ours. Look at the U.K. for example and their protests against Bulgarian immigration. What about Bulgarian women becoming prostitutes in the West? Do these things not bother you at all? Also Turks can easily get Bulgarian citizenship by claiming birthright and then navigate freely through the EU.

I see your whole mindset is Westernized and Americanized and the only cure for you is to stay away from Bulgarian topics.

[Lemon Kush]

I see your whole mindset is Westernized and Americanized and the only cure for you is to stay away from Bulgarian topics.

I know I expose horrible truths, but some people gotta wake up!

[ioan assen]

I care because Bulgaria joining the EU seems forced and all the main EU countries see us as unworthy economic partners.

Wrong. The main EU chains have all opened branches in Bulgaria in the expense of the Bulgarian producers. They see as as an worthy economic market.

Massive, uncontrolled Bulgarian immigration is harming their countries and creating an even more negative image of ours. Look at the U.K. for example and their protests against Bulgarian immigration.

The campain seems so forced and fake. UK has much more problems with pakis etc. And how many Bulgarians went to UK really? Not comparable to the ones shifted to Spain.

What about Bulgarian women becoming prostitutes in the West?

The problem is poverty and with it: the disappearance of anything valuable apart from the money. That moral code is actually promoted by US: only money matters!

Do these things not bother you at all?

Yes, but its better than we are in the EU. Those problems are NOT caused by EU. There is EU pressure to solve them.

Also Turks can easily get Bulgarian citizenship by claiming birthright and then navigate freely through the EU.

Wrong.
Law on Bulgarian citizenship:
Чл. 12. Лице, което не е български гражданин, може да придобие българско гражданство, ако към датата на подаване на молбата за натурализация:
1. е пълнолетно;
2. преди не по-малко от 5 години е получило разрешение за постоянно или дългосрочно пребиваване в Република България;
3. не е осъждано за умишлено престъпление от общ характер от български съд и срещу него няма образувано наказателно производство за такова престъпление, освен ако е реабилитирано;
4. има доход или занятие, което му дава възможност да се издържа в Република България;
5. владее български език, което се установява по ред, определен с наредба на министъра на образованието, младежта и науката, и
6. е освободено от досегашното си гражданство или ще бъде освободено от него към момента на придобиване на българско гражданство.
Чл. 15. (1) Лице, което не е български гражданин, може да придобие българско гражданство по натурализация, без да са налице условията по чл. 12, т. 2, 4, 5 и 6, ако отговаря на едно от следните изисквания:
1. е от български произход;
2. осиновен е от български гражданин при условията на пълно осиновяване;
3. единият му родител е български гражданин или е починал като български гражданин.

[Trun]

Bulgarians in the UK are students, who are educated and are as valuable for British society as ethnic Brits are. The other Bulgarian citizens there are the gypsies. Everyone is familiar with their qualities.

Prostitutes in the West who are from Bulgaria are 90% gypsies.

[Harkonnen]

He is an American who has never lived in Greece and can barely speak Greek.
The crisis was not caused directly by Greece, we were simply the weakest link in a faulty monetary system.

Analysis: What taxpayer bailouts? Euro crisis saves Germany money

By Jan Strupczewski
BRUSSELS | Thu May 2, 2013 5:04am EDT
(Reuters) - Throughout Europe's debt crisis, northern European leaders have often said they will not stand for taxpayers having to fork out for other countries' problems, and the notion of "taxpayer-funded bailouts" has taken root.

Yet despite three-and-a-half years of debt and banking turmoil, with bailouts totaling more than 400 billion euros, northern euro zone taxpayers have not actually lost a cent.

What is more, governments in Germany, Finland, Austria, the Netherlands and France have saved billions of euros thanks to a sharp fall in how much they pay to raise money in financial markets since their borrowing costs have dropped steeply.

But that has not prevented the image taking root in voters' minds of hard working northern Europeans putting money on the line to rescue profligate, work-shy southerners, fuelling resentment and undermining Europe's unity.

In the run up to German elections in September, that resentment is only likely to grow, and Chancellor Angela Merkel, bidding for a third term in office, will have to reaffirm her commitment to protect voters from potential losses.

But the truth remains that German taxpayers, as well as those in Finland, the Netherlands and elsewhere, are no worse off at all, and their finance ministries have racked up savings.

"As an unintentional consequence of the crisis, Finland has benefited enormously," said Martti Salmi, the head of international and EU affairs at Finland's ministry of finance.

"We have not lost a cent so far," he told Reuters. "The same as for Germany very much holds for Finland."

In fact, German officials are well aware of their stronger financing position, the result of a more than two percentage point fall in borrowing costs, even as politicians continue to lament the risks being piled on German taxpayers.

When giving presentations in Germany, Klaus Regling, the German who heads the euro zone's permanent bailout fund, often cites two studies that show that Berlin has reaped substantial savings as an unintended consequence of the crisis.

One study, by German insurance giant Allianz, has calculated that Berlin saved 10.2 billion euros in 2010-2012 because of lower borrowing costs, as yields on its 10-year bonds fell from 3.39 percent to 1.18 percent now.

The other study, by Jens Boysen-Hogrefe of the IfW economic institute, suggests that the German federal budget saved 8.6 billion euros in 2011 due to low ECB interest rates and the safe-haven impact of investors putting money into Germany.

Those savings rose to 9.6 billion in 2012 and the safe-haven effect will alone be worth 2 billion in 2013, IfW said.

"If we add up the interest rate advantages gained in the period 2010 to 2012 and those that Germany will benefit from in the years to come, we arrive at cumulative interest relief for the German budget of an estimated 67 billion euros," Allianz said in a paper published last September.

"(That is) enough to slash around 3 percentage points off Germany's government debt ratio," which reaps further saving.

Finland, the Netherlands, Austria and France may not have gained as much as Germany, but have also seen a substantial decline in borrowing costs over the crisis period.

"Northern European countries are making a considerable profit out of these operations and they are not even redistributing these direct and indirect benefits," said a senior official in Brussels.

MYTH-O-NOMICS

The heart of the misconception about taxpayers losses is the fact that in public discourse, the difference between lending and giving has ceased to exist.

And with anti-bailout sentiment so strong in much of northern Europe, there has been no willingness on the part of politicians to correct that misconception. The anti-EU True Finns party in Finland, for example, draws support from the belief that Finns are spending money on southern Europeans.

The situation is quite different. While Finland may be providing lots of guarantees to the eurozone's bailout funds and has lent money to bailed out countries, the Finnish finance ministry has earned extra money from the crisis.

Last year, the Finnish central bank contributed 227 million euros to the Finnish budget as a result of profits made on the Greek, Spanish and Portuguese government bonds it holds, 40 million euros more than it made in 2011.

This year, the profit should rise to 360 million.

THE TRUE RISK?

For any euro zone country that has provide bailout assistance to lose money, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain or Cyprus would have to default on the loans they have received.

But rather than being close to default, Portugal and Ireland are near to exiting their bailout programs and pose little risk, while the chance of default Spain has always been minimal and is closely managed in Cyprus.

Greece, which has received 166 billion euros in bailout loans, poses the biggest risk, but even that is changing.

"With every day, the risk that Greece would cost taxpayers anything decreases," a second EU official said. "It is not doing badly at the moment and there is a possibility it may do better than assumed."

Apart from the initial bilateral loans to Greece in 2010 which totaled 52.9 billion euros, no euro zone taxpayer money was sent to Greece, or any other country. All the later bailouts were financed on markets via the eurozone bailout fund.

Officials said that even if any of the bailed-out countries were to not pay back some of the money borrowed from euro zone governments, the alternative -- a euro zone break-up -- would have been a much costlier affair than any bailout losses.

A study commissioned by the German Bertelsmann Foundation showed this week that if Germany were to return to its old Deutschmark, its annual GDP would be 0.5 points lower between 2013 and 2025, resulting in a loss of 1.2 trillion euros over the 13 years - half the size of the German economy in 2012.

"It is possible that we will get out of it without getting our feet wet, or with getting our feet wet only a little bit," Finland's Salmi said about the likelihood of a default on any of the bailout loans extended to rescued countries.

"But if we end up forgiving a loan of 1 billion euros to Greece sometime in the next 10 years, that's nothing compared to what we would have faced if we had a meltdown of the euro zone. It would be completely insignificant compared to that," he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9410CG20130502

Total nonsense and typical multikulti propaganda. Besides the guy even admits it himself in the end that the bailout is just a better option of myriad of bad options. Can you not read? He's basically saying we have not 'yet' made losses and even there he is lying. This is just based on too many presumptions. If Greece pays it's debt etc.

What is more, governments in Germany, Finland, Austria, the Netherlands and France have saved billions of euros thanks to a sharp fall in how much they pay to raise money in financial markets since their borrowing costs have dropped steeply.

Yeah right. Most of this money has gone to Sweden or Switzerland.

"As an unintentional consequence of the crisis, Finland has benefited enormously," said Martti Salmi, the head of international and EU affairs at Finland's ministry of finance.

"We have not lost a cent so far," he told Reuters. "The same as for Germany very much holds for Finland."

What about fall of our exports. This is a direct consequence of the crisis.