China IQ Map

[zhaoyun]

Seriously, I doubt that Tibet is a 77.3 IQ Region, and we shouldn't underestimate them. Tibetan Buddhism isn't the practice of superficial amateurs. Certain questions should be raised about the administering of the IQ tests: Questions might pose a cultural bias. Questioners might have a bias. IQ Tests in general, seem to put a lot of emphasis upon knowledge learned though the school systems. Do the remote regions of Tibet get proper schooling? Since the People's Republic achieved hegemony over Tibet, the region's societal structure has been undermined, restructured, and redone, to eradicate Tibetan Buddhism.

This is where I think IQ is just strongly correlated to academic culture. Tibetans are not dumb people, but they are not academically oriented or commercially minded people.

However, regarding the last part. The PRC has actually significantly improved the social and public infrastructure of Tibet, where it is probably more modern and developed than the neighboring states in South Asia, Bhutan, Nepal, India, Bangladesh, etc.

[zhaoyun]

Yes, but your numbers aren't strictly relevant. Ashkenazis had/have significant geographical and cultural (and liturgical, etc) divisions that have not been looked at. Additionally, as you intimated, urbanites would have higher IQs on average, and afaik there's no study that does look at separate Ashkenazi groupings. The correct comparison is ethnicity versus ethnicity.

Within the Ashkenazi world, it was thought that Galitsyaners were hot-headed and relatively emotional and undereducated compared to Litvaks and Yekkes, with Oberlandere being somewhere between Galitsyaners and Yekkes. Of course, they were also a majority of the doctors and lawyers in Western Ukraine and the Carpathians, but that's besides the greater point. Chassidut (khassidus?) spread from Galitsya, so it is potentially very possible that if you subtracted Galitsyaners from the equation the average would jump a few points just like that. I'm not advocating for division - my dad is a Galitsyaner - but I'm just observing the comparison is weak.

Similarly, Sephardic IQ is often given as a poxy 100 or so, but if you were to isolate significantly culturally, historically, linguistically and even genetically isolated populations like the S&P of Western Europe and the Caribbean, I suspect the average would be 120+, going by historical contributions and comparisons with the known IQ of groups like the Ashkenazi. As there are no purebloods left among us, it might be a meaningless point as a hypothetical, but nonetheless, 'well we may be x but [subdivision] is y' is worthless if you're not allowing the group you're comparing yourself to to subdivide.

Well, if we are comparing Ashkanazis to just strictly the provinces of Shanghai, Zhejiang and Jiangsu, that's also including the significant rural populations of those regions (which should still make up 30% of that region).

Look, this argument won't go anywhere. We can subdivide each group into as tiny a sample in order to yield the highest average IQ possible, but that's not going to happen.

[Longbowman]

Look, this argument won't go anywhere. We can subdivide each group into as tiny a sample in order to yield the highest average IQ possible, but that's not going to happen.

Which is the point.

[Cristiano viejo]

It seems that the areas front of Japan are the best. Interesting.

[dperucca]

Not necessarily. They would've been exposed to a whole different culture, which would've been advantageous as China is very huge and going to be a very dominant economy. But the education may not necessarily have been better as many students there are overworked.

They are overworked but I do respect the dedication to higher education. I like their belief that intelligence is not an innate quality but rather achieved through study and effort. I think that is something to be learned from.

[zhaoyun]

It seems that the areas front of Japan are the best. Interesting.

Has nothing to do with Japan, but only because they are the coastal regions. Those areas were historically the richest in culture, particularly the Jiangnan region.

[paprika]

Yeah, obviously the point of separation would only be for the purpose of preserving the minority cultures, not for preserving the Han culture which you first alluded to and an argument that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

absorbing minority cultures will dilute the han culture, maybe only partially but still. for example look at those ugly manchurian qipaos, which became the dominant traditional dress after the manchurians took over, replacing the original hanfu which had been used for thousands of years.

[Magnolia]

better education = higher IQ
Something wrong with IQ tests.

[Fractal]

Bullshit, most Indians are employees (as are any other group). There is a subset who are business owners, but they are in the minority.

Irrelevant. Indian-Americans are still one of the most academically successful and wealthiest groups in the USA. And Indians are a minority, yet we own a majority of the subways and 7-11s in the USA.

Also you should be appreciative that you Chinese people get hired at businesses.

If you've ever been the Aloft Hotel 200 feet away from Apple headquarters, you see a bunch of Asians working at the front desk as well as Whites. That hotel is owned by an Indian.

[zhaoyun]

Irrelevant. Indian-Americans are still one of the most academically successful and wealthiest groups in the USA. And Indians are a minority, yet we own a majority of the subways and 7-11s in the USA.

Also you should be appreciative that you Chinese people get hired at businesses.

If you've ever been the Aloft Hotel 200 feet away from Apple headquarters, you see a bunch of Asians working at the front desk as well as Whites. That hotel is owned by an Indian.

Oh, then how about all the Indian engineers that work for Chinese companies? I saw a lot in Shenzhen.