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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    It was a response to Kaspias for comparison but I didn't want to quote the whole text. Besides, I like Pagane and I want to inform her. That's why we are here.
    I don`t think she is interested to be informed. Anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Peşkir is common in Eastern dialects of Turkish whilst Havlu is common in the West. Albanians and Bosniaks have got it in the form of peşkir due to the fact that dervishes settled there have got ultimate Khorasan Turkmen origin, while Bulgarians got it in the form of havlu because they lived together with the Yoruk/Turkish population.
    Yes, it`s true. But Golem is not from Turkish or from bulgarian. It`s the name Goulielm transformed in Golem long before Turkish occupation.
    Last edited by Laku; 01-03-2022 at 06:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laku View Post
    Yes, it`s true. But Golem is not from Turkish or from bulgarian. It`s the name Goulielm transformed in Golem long befeore Turkish occupation.
    It can be. I haven't researched on these specifically, just stating my daily knowledge as it looks like a very poor propaganda effort which is based on proving that Proto Bulgars were of Iranic origin. You may take the suggestion "Gulam" as an alternative theory or not take it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Peşkir is common in Eastern dialects of Turkish whilst Havlu is common in the West. Albanians and Bosniaks have got it in the form of peşkir due to the fact that dervishes settled there have got ultimate Khorasan Turkmen origin, while Bulgarians got it in the form of havlu because they lived together with the Yoruk/Turkish population.
    I don't know any dervishes that settled there. Our genetics don't show any trace at all from that region. It's probably indo-european because it is old persian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    I don't know any dervishes that settled there. Our genetics don't show any trace at all from that region. It's probably indo-european because it is old persian.
    Islam was introduced through dervishes in Albania as there were no Turkish settlements in masses. During the conversion process, almost every settlement belonged to a dervish who taught Turkish-Islam culture. That's why Albania is the house of Bektashism now. Having a dervish settlement doesn't mean you have to have that genetic input, they were just missioners settled there, even if they mixed with Albanians it would be absorbed easily as they were very low in population compared to the local people.

    Peşkir is a loanword from Farsi(during Seljuks) to Turkish, and I believe from Turkish to some of the Balkan languages. This looks like having more chance compared to having a deeper root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Islam was introduced through dervishes in Albania as there were no Turkish settlements in masses. During the conversion process, almost every settlement belonged to a dervish who taught Turkish-Islam culture. That's why Albania is the house of Bektashism now. Having a dervish settlement doesn't mean you have to have that genetic input, they were just missioners settled there, even if they mixed with Albanians it would be absorbed easily as they were very low in population compared to the local people.

    Peşkir is a loanword from Farsi(during Seljuks) to Turkish, and I believe from Turkish to some of the Balkan languages. This looks like having more chance compared to having a deeper root.
    It's only a small region in south Albania that are Bektashi,. 99% are sunni. In theory of course. It's bizzarre to say Albania is the house of Bektashism since only a few thousands people identify as such. That includes the non-practising ones.
    So I find it very unlikely that his marginal group would have influenced a national word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulu View Post
    It's only a small region in south Albania that are Bektashi,. 99% are sunni. In theory of course. It's bizzarre to say Albania is the house of Bektashism since only a few thousands people identify as such. That includes the non-practising ones.
    Bektashism almost has vanished (they were mostly converted to mainstream Alevism and Sunnism) and has got a very limited number of practicers now. A considerable amount of the population, as well as the headquarter tekke of the Bektashism, is in Albania. Before the removal of all tekkes from Turkey it was in Turkey. Prior to the 18th century all Albanian population -including some Balkan Turkish population and all of the Muslim South Slavs- were Bektashi, as Ottomans took a position as Sunnis they as a whole are re-converted to Sunnism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Bektashism almost has vanished (they were mostly converted to mainstream Alevism and Sunnism) and has got a very limited number of practicers now. A considerable amount of the population, as well as the headquarter tekke of the Bektashism, is in Albania. Before the removal of all tekkes from Turkey it was in Turkey. Prior to the 18th century all Albanian population -including some Balkan Turkish population and all of the Muslim South Slavs- were Bektashi, as Ottomans took a position as Sunnis they as a whole are re-converted to Sunnism.
    First time I hear this but I'll take your word for it.

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    Kaspias, do you (Bulgarian or Turkish) use futa or shtupa for towel. Futa is arabic (tunisian) and shtupa - persian. We use both words in dialects but they are anachronisms now. Also they are cotton towels, not the terry towel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laku View Post
    In which society in the world are present these traditions of snohačenje and lapot? A father in law having sexual relations with the bride of his own son? And later this son killing his father? Do you have any personal experience of this kind? If yes, can you please share with us?
    Yes there are unique traditions for a people and Albanians are no different with their brotherhood unions!

    Anyway, can you tell us here why Shqiptarisht have these nasalised consonants, the words M’broj or N’ga (some have made this connection to Vietnam).

    The Tagelmust?????

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