What are your opinions of race denialism?

[Homo Insapiens]

The broadest our species can be phenotypically divided into is the 4 major races of course, below that I consider there to be subraces, probably all belonging to a major race, i.e Europeans, aka white people, can be considered a sub race, middle easterners a sub race, south Asians a sub race, southeast Asians a sub race, native Americans a sub race, central Asians a sub race etc. below subrace I would imagine then it’s the ethnicity level.

[Homo Insapiens]

Where I’m from, Singapore & Malaysia, Chinese are considered as one race, Malays as a race, & Indians as a race. That’s how it works administratively as well as socially. Chinese & Malays would both be considered mongoloid in the great races model.

[Universe]

Where I’m from, Singapore & Malaysia, Chinese are considered as one race, Malays as a race, & Indians as a race. That’s how it works administratively as well as socially. Chinese & Malays would both be considered mongoloid in the great races model.

Does the concept of ethnicity exist in that part of the world? Or Germans, Swedes etc are a races too?

[Homo Insapiens]

Does the concept of ethnicity exist in that part of the world? Or Germans, Swedes etc are a races too?

Im afraid I don’t really know the full answer to that, how much race & ethnicity are correlated here.

Just type in “Singapore ID card” on google images to see this example of what I mean.

People of those groups you mentioned would fall under the category of “Caucasian” on Singapore ID cards.

I’m not actually a local citizen, I’m an expat, a foreigner here, so I can’t say I know how everything works as well as a local does.
But I’ve lived here most of my life.

I’ll let you know if I find out the answer.

I get the impression that race is generally less of a sensitive issue in Asia than it is in the West. Asians generally seem to be more chill at acknowledging & discussing race than Westerners seem to be.

Also, Chinese & Indian is actually each a collection of ethnicities rather than being a single one.

What about where your from?

[Homo Insapiens]

Does the concept of ethnicity exist in that part of the world? Or Germans, Swedes etc are a races too?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_Singapore

Oddly there doesn’t seem to be a Wikipedia on race in Malaysia for some reason.

[Homo Insapiens]

Yes but it's lower than we might expect, mostly Mongoloid still.

Does that explain why southeast Asians tend to have a different phenotype from East Asians?

& why South Asians tend to have a different phenotype than other Caucasoids further west & north of them?

Do Middle Easterners have some australoid ancestry as to explain why their phenotype tends to be different from more supposedly purer Caucasoid Europeans?

[Homo Insapiens]

Leopards have 9 different subspecies. Telling them apart is harder than telling 4 major human races from each other (even for a zoologist probably).

Do you know what’s the basis for why leopards are classified into 9 subspecies? Is it genetic or anatomical/physical?

I think one of the main reasons why our species isn’t divided into subspecies & for the mainstream rejection of the 4 great races model is because, for the major races model it’s because genetics doesn’t seem to really align with it, for being divided into different subspecies I think it’s because it’s said that there’s not enough genetic & anatomical/physical variation to, at least compared to other species. If I understand correctly that is, if I’m wrong just let me know.

Do you know what is below the subspecies level in taxonomy?

I wonder what zoologists & scientists would have to say about human races, particularly the 4 major races. Most people now seem to disregard it because it’s too insignificant, & I’m thinking that it doesn’t matter whether it is or isn’t, the significant thing is that it’s there at all.

This zoology book first published in 1958, this page from the 1964 edition, seems to consider human races as subspecies, maybe that reflects the attitude of the time:

https://www.amazon.com/Zoology-Intro.../dp/B000HWN9XG

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I wonder why they referred to Australoids as “primitive”?

If anyone would like a free digital copy of this book, just contact me & I’ll try to find a way to send you one. It’s not available as an ebook, so what I’ve done is taken photos of every page. They’re great quality photos though & everything is readable & clear. Or you can just order a copy of it online if you’d prefer.

[bandoge]

I understand why race became a taboo but it's a very stupid stance to deny its existence, and it's unhelpful too. I don't know about the academic debate on how we can divide people and all those particularities, but from the layman point of view the difference does exist and is obvious at the same time the current acceptable discourse is extremely contradictory and hypocritical.

[Homo Insapiens]

Leopards have 9 different subspecies. Telling them apart is harder than telling 4 major human races from each other (even for a zoologist probably).

Also, how do human races compare with domestic animal breeds, like dogs, cats, horses etc? Are domestic animal breeds considered subspecies? Does the term “breed” only apply to domestic animals & plants?

[Homo Insapiens]

Just type in something like “does race exist” or “is race real” on google & you should see that just about every article that discusses it claims that it doesn’t, that it’s a social construct etc. Maybe that’s because google doesn’t allow articles that acknowledge race, or maybe it’s because of the algorithm, which I think is based on popularity or ratings.


https://scienceandsociety.duke.edu/does-race-exist/

Take this article above, which states that “ Biologically speaking, race does not exist”. How is race not biological? It’s all about physical features after all, isn’t it?
Ethnicity is more socially based, though even that’s still biologically to an extent because it’s based on shared ancestry, isn’t it? Is it possible to convert to another ethnicity? I wouldn’t think so.