"Dictatorship is good"

[Victor]

By the way, if you're religious, check the importance of free will and its meaning in religion, and see the parallel with democracy.

Thanks, but I know it, concept of free will in Christianity has nothing to do with secular concept of human rights/democracy. Christianity is quite hierarchical, anti anarchical, it implies reasonable submission to the authorities in matters that are not in conflict with Christianity. If we speak about Christians, including early ones, they didn't give a damn about politics, earthly freedom, anything, they knew they don't belong to this World and the worst this World could do is destroy their flesh, lots of everyday questions didn't bother them. Christians were never social justice warriors in secular meaning, nor fighting for some "Christian Khalifat", most of Christians obeyed the state not because they loved or worshiped it, but as a form of obedience which does not contradict Christianity.

They never been rebels in any kind of pagan empires and khalifats, but always were executed, burnt and feeded to some wild animals, and really they didn't mind, because martyrdom is the best death for a Christian.

[kingmob]

Thanks, but I know it, concept of free will in Christianity has nothing to do with secular concept of human rights/democracy. Christianity is quite hierarchical, anti anarchical, it implies reasonable submission to the authorities in matters that are not in conflict with Christianity.

You are clueless.

[Victor]

You are clueless.

Do you understand that it's useless to put labels on each other because I'm definitely clueless in your religious views system, but I'm legit in canonical Orthodox Christianity ("The Nicaean nonsense" or whatever you name it)?

What's the use of debates if you consider the Scripture and the Gospel to be changed, if you don't recognize the saints, Holy Fathers of Church and apostles are not any kind of authority for you? I mean, we're both clueless for each other, it's not a question of some intra Orthodox theological debate or even Orthodox - other Christian denomination like Catholics, but two different dimensions.

[Teutone]

Tibet and Xinjiang are not Chinese.

Taiwan is more complicated, but the Taiwanese have the ultimate say in the matter of own identity, not some obese Chinese dictator that pontificates on his golden toilet.

Hand over the former territories of Mexico then.



Everything you just said can be applied to the south west of the umited states.

[Victor]

By the way, if you're religious, check the importance of free will and its meaning in religion, and see the parallel with democracy.

Free will allows us to do anything, including evil deeds. We commit both good and bad deeds using our free will and we will be judged by this. While popular Democracy and secular Humanism worships the man and his free will as some kind of gods.

[Dušan]

Tibet and Xinjiang are not Chinese.

Taiwan is more complicated, but the Taiwanese have the ultimate say in the matter of own identity, not some obese Chinese dictator that pontificates on his golden toilet.

All these regions are integral parts of China.

[kingmob]

Do you understand that it's useless to put labels on each other because I'm definitely clueless in your religious views system, but I'm legit in canonical Orthodox Christianity ("The Nicaean nonsense" or whatever you name it)?

I feel sorry for you, honest, and the prison you built for yourself.

Hiding behind your labels, trying to find self worth in those meaningless divisions.

There hasn't been a more revolutionary figure than Christ Jesus in the history of our existence as beings.

One that has abolished all laws and divisions.

[Voskos]

Free will allows us to do anything, including. We commit both good and bad deeds using our free will and we will be judged by this. While popular Democracy and secular Humanism worships the man and his free will as some kind of gods.

You are mistaken, about me and my beliefs. I am not mistaken about yours, but I respect your opinion, however I don't embrace it.

[Victor]

One that has abolished all laws and divisions.

If the law is abolished and everyone is already saved without any responsibility, I don't see problem with committing any kind of evil, Judas, Chikatilo, Hitler will be in paradise, why not doing what you want and what your free will wants if it's gonna have no consequences? There's even no need to feel sorry for me if everyone will receive the same fruits in the end. Just plain logic.

[protos]

Thanks, but I know it, concept of free will in Christianity has nothing to do with secular concept of human rights/democracy. Christianity is quite hierarchical, anti anarchical, it implies reasonable submission to the authorities in matters that are not in conflict with Christianity. If we speak about Christians, including early ones, they didn't give a damn about politics, earthly freedom, anything, they knew they don't belong to this World and the worst this World could do is destroy their flesh, lots of everyday questions didn't bother them. Christians were never social justice warriors in secular meaning, nor fighting for some "Christian Khalifat", most of Christians obeyed the state not because they loved or worshiped it, but as a form of obedience which does not contradict Christianity.

They never been rebels in any kind of pagan empires and khalifats, but always were executed, burnt and feeded to some wild animals, and really they didn't mind, because martyrdom is the best death for a Christian.

You're wrong in one perspective. Early Christians were indeed anarchical, and anti-government. That's why many of were tortured by the authorities, and why many of them became saints through martyrdom.