Classify some Hungarians from Ukraine and where would you place them?

[Blondie]

So believing others is better than experiencing it yourself (which you haven't) ? Are you such a naive person? You have no experience with these calculators.

Science is made by professional scientists, profs, and its not based on average peoples personal experience or opinion.

[Nurzat]

they look like Romanians from Transylvania - definitely less East/West Slavic than Romanian Rusyns/Hutsuls for example

[Feiichy]

they look like Romanians from Transylvania - definitely less East/West Slavic than Romanian Rusyns/Hutsuls for example

Romanians from Transylvaniua are more Med.

[Feiichy]

But he lives in Budapest. And it does not change the fact Budapest is the most germanized region.

Stears lives in Budapest too

I would never consider him Budapester.

[Feiichy]

No, the historical part of Romania (western Moldavia, vs. Eastern Moldavia/Bessarabia which is now mostly Moldova) around Bacau. They're called Csango:

They have their own look I would say. Different from mainstream Hungarians, even different from Szekelys, but not exactly Romanian either. It fits with genetics as well.

[Feiichy]

Dunai made his study based on DNA tests of ethnic hungarians from all regions of Hungary and according to this study, ethnic Hungarians from Western Hungary are slightly more genetically German than people from Budapest and Budapesters are mix of all Hungarian regions.

His study can be found in this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...hus-far/page13

Keep in mind Dunai included only Hungarians with 4 ethnic Hungarian grandparents, so most TA Hungarians and too many of Budapest natives would not qualify. His averages are representative for such unmixed Hungarians, but not for city of Budapest which is really mixed.

[Feiichy]

I did not mention Sekkmer and as i know Benyzero was born in Budapest so he is native budapester, does not matter the ancestry of his parents. These genetic results are not so reliable, you know my opinion on it. This and fan made calculators are just playing with numbers. You get pretty different results with every test. I prefer the historical background.

DNA tests are reliable, one just needs to know how to interpret them correctly.

[Feiichy]

But this is not true. Majority of germans were just magyarized at this time and hundred thousands of german were not deported.

I don't know for Hungary, but most of Vojvodina/Slavonia Germans were deported or died, those "Germans" that remained were mostly of mixed heritage. Even my grandma family who were mixed Germans tried to flee to Switzerland but were unable to (long story).

I would be surprised many pure Germans remained in communist Hungary.

Those that were Magyarized ceased to be Germans in their identity. I'm speaking of people with German, not Hungarian identity.

[Feiichy]

Commercial tests often provide inconsistent results.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1X42EH/

The Privacy Problems of Direct-to-Consumer Genetic Testing

https://www.consumerreports.org/heal...s-a1187212155/

Investigator: Personal DNA Tests Unreliable
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/investi...ts-unreliable/

False-positive results released by direct-to-consumer genetic tests highlight the importance of clinical confirmation testing for appropriate patient care
https://www.nature.com/articles/gim201838

It's BS. Genetics is exact science and genetic studies are published in professional science magazines.

[Scandal]

Keep in mind Dunai included only Hungarians with 4 ethnic Hungarian grandparents, so most TA Hungarians and too many of Budapest natives would not qualify. His averages are representative for such unmixed Hungarians, but not for city of Budapest which is really mixed.

1) He included people who are 1/8, 2/16 and 3/16 non-Hungarian.

2) A lot of mixed people in countryside don't qualify either. If Ethnic Hungarians from Transdanubia are more genetically German than ethnic Hungarians from Budapest, that means there was a lot of mixing in Transdanubia too. Finding German and Slavic surnames is not uncommon in any corner of Hungary.

3) "Unmixed Hungarians" is a very weird (in my opinion wrong) concept, people who have 4 grandparents who identify as Hungarian can have tons of non-Hungarian ancestors in year 1500 or year 1000.