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    Quote Originally Posted by Italicus View Post
    You seem to be a biological determinist. As am I to a great degree. What would you say are the moral characteristics of a predominantly Southern European mixed with East Eurasian like myself to be like? And do I fit the mold?
    A thoughtful question.

    I even do extend the biological determination to lingusitic expression. But: First, as for my opinion it has to be taken into account whether it's about a population level or an individual level. If you have an Nigerian speaking English he will speak perfectly Oxford English if you socialise him as a singleton. But if he will be among his own kind in in hundreds of thousands in an English speaking environment it will turn out like African Americans speak. There are biological tendencies that just break through if they get the "majority" or more correct: a sufficient proportion.

    You as a singleton would likely much adapt to your environment like all humans do. Another interesting question would be: How would a population that is put on it's own that is 3/4 Italian and 1/4 East Asian be? We could here just speculate, based on the known characteristics of the parent ancestries.

    At a first glance you would assume a weighted average as a result and in many cases this is true. But not always. If you f. i. mix copper and tin you get bronze that is much harder than both "parent" metals. In the same way also human mixtures are not always simply forming an intermediate state. IMO the German people is an example for that. Germans are more strict, unrelaxed and determined than all of their neighbours in spite of being able to be modelled as a mixture of them.

    As for your question I think that East Asian seriosity could compensate a lot of Mediterranean "laissez-fair" but I really have no clue what would be the outcome if you had a a separate population with that ancestry figures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    A Reichsbürger considers the German Empire legit and de jure existent and the FRG illegal. To be perfectly correct this question is not a matter of fact but a matter of opinion and I consider this opinion to be legally motivated with more ease than the opposite (mainstream) opinion. Whether this opinion comes to force by enough people following it or not is another story. I think that the FRG once in the future will dissolve itself by a parliament decision and revive the German Empire because you by that move can get rid of a lot of huge FRG problems, forced treaties, the citizens that comprise all the naturalised non-Germans etc.
    However, a Reichsbürger is not promoting a separation. To a Reichsbürger not just himself is a Reichsbürger but all that do have the German Empire citizenship and that are most Germans. They don't "separate" more from "society" than anyone else with a conflicting with the mainstream determined opinion.
    I know that Reichsburgers are not promoting secession.
    But supposedly they increasingly separate themselves from society, like Orthodox Jews or Mennonites.
    Besides their monarchist beliefs, they tend to live together in rural areas (mostly in East Germany I think),
    they are against vaccination, the medical system, the education system, many other things...
    This is what I have read in mainstream American/British media, maybe this is wrong.

    The Reichsburgers are forming a tribe I think, and they will be perceived as different from everyone else,
    IF Germany (and mainstream modern white Germans) continue changing beyond recognition.

    IF the German state becomes more repressive and hostile to its declining native population,
    then more native Germans will separate themselves from society,
    and become Reichsburgers or other socially separatist tribes.

    What do you think of the Reichsburgers aside from their monarchist beliefs?
    What do you think about their other beliefs and lifestyle and coherence?

    Can they form the foundation of a future ethnic-social-political tribe of Germans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    I know that Reichsburgers are not promoting secession.
    But supposedly they increasingly separate themselves from society, like Orthodox Jews or Mennonites.
    Besides their monarchist beliefs, they tend to live together in rural areas (mostly in East Germany I think),
    they are against vaccination, the medical system, the education system, many other things...
    This is what I have read in mainstream American/British media, maybe this is wrong.
    It's wrong. They don't live together. They are living all around, are a very heterogenous group and are Germans that out of various interests find the view attractive that the FRG is illegal and that the German Empire is the legal state in Germany.

    As I said this is an opinion that I consider easier to motivate than that the FRG is legal. From a juridical aspect I share this view. We are then all Reichsbürger (citizens of the German Empire). The practical relevance is whether that view one time will gain enough supporters to be executed. I hope so. But I painted a future scenario when this question would not be relevant and that is if the FRG pariament one day would chose to dissolve the FRG in the same manner as the pariament of the GDR dissolved the GDR and then it's new founded states declared to enter the FRG. Nobody cares if the constitution of the GDR allowed that or not. If all do agree you can do what you want. I don't expect that a majority will now in an ideological sense follow the view of the Reichsbürger. They will not. But there will come the day when following such a view will be very advantagous and solve many problems that are knitted to the FRG. And out of such a situation such an agreement could evolve in the future. The dissolution of the GDR in the context of the reunification could be a road map.

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    The Reichsburgers are forming a tribe I think, and they will be perceived as different from everyone else,
    IF Germany (and mainstream modern white Germans) continue changing beyond recognition.
    This is impossible as no one, Reichsbürger as well as non-Reichsbürger, perceive people with a particular political view as another ethnos. It's as way off as stating that the Green-voters will in the future form an own ethnos.

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    IF the German state becomes more repressive and hostile to its declining native population,
    then more native Germans will separate themselves from society,
    and become Reichsburgers or other socially separatist tribes.
    This is all completely unrelated to tribes that have a tousand years or more history and are coined by a separate dialect and culture in an own territory that is exclusively settled by that tribe. This is how German tribes are. Neither Mennonites nor Jehova's witnesses or Mormons do form a kind of tribe in Germany. If they are ethnic Germans they perceive themselves as such and are also perceived by others as that. They may be felt as an own tribe in America, because they do have another ethnicity, mostly German, I guess. But in Germany none of them do have another ethnicity.

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    What do you think of the Reichsburgers aside from their monarchist beliefs?
    They have an opinion and nothing that could be called a belief.

    They have no monarchist ideology. They refer to the pre 1918 Monarchy because this is the easiest and most clean way to explain the German Empire to be more legit than the FRG. I consider the German Empire per 1945 the juridically legit state in the borders of Novermber 1938 (in accordance with the Munich agreement and the right of self-determination of peoples). Also that state is much mor sympatethic to me as it was a state that was ethnically determined and had essentially just borders that followed the borders of the undisputed and legit settlement areas.

    The majority of Reichsbürger prefer the constitutionally "kosher" way, because there was a revolution in 1918 that could make all that is based on that, including the following German Empire illegitimate. They don't want get that hold against them. But I say that is no problem, because all this will anyhow just be possible to execute when essentially all do agree on doing that and if all do agree, we can refer to the post-monarchy German Empire without any problem.

    So again: They are not pro monarchy per se but the constitution from the monarchy is the last legally flawless and undisputed in it's legitimacy constitution in Germany. Also, they avoid to have to promote any controversial "nazi" stuff. In contrast, they can condem the post-1918 National Socialist state as illegal as well. The latter condemned the revolution in 1918 emphasisedly as a big crime but did not restore anything from before that revolution.

    The most Reichsbürger have come to their opinion out of private reasons, such as losing the driving license, facing big tax claims and get their houses auctioned off by the state, get a prohibition for performing a particular profession etc. If considering the FRG illigitimate, then alse the burdening state measures of the FRG are illegal and the legal position of these individuals is much better. So what I stated could once become the reason to follow the Reichsbürger opinion, i. e. an interest in having a gain by that, solving other problems etc. is exactly what already has motivated many of those that are called Reichsbürger today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    What do you think about their other beliefs and lifestyle and coherence?
    They have no common beliefs, they have no common life style and they have no coherence more than rejecting the FRG as an illegal entity.

    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoLady View Post
    Can they form the foundation of a future ethnic-social-political tribe of Germans?
    No.

    But they can give an inspiration how Germany can get rid of the FRG.
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