Volga Tatars on G25 (ancestry subtraction)

[axlredneck]

What makes you believe that R-Y86945* is specifically a Bulgar clade and how do you think this is connected to the guy from from Cantabria who is also under this clade?

Why restrict it just to this clade when there are other clades where you have Tatars and Iberians?

https://yfull.com/tree/R-KMS44/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y213784/

A Portuguese and a bunch of Tatars, Bashkirs and Kazakhs are found under the second clade. Why should it be found in Iberians, indeed?

[xripkan]

Why restrict it just to this clade when there are other clades where you have Tatars and Iberians?

https://yfull.com/tree/R-KMS44/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y213784/

A Portuguese and a bunch of Tatars, Bashkirs and Kazakhs are found under the second clade. Why should it be found in Iberians, indeed?

My speculation is that it could be related to the Great Migration period. What do you think?

And what are our indications that R-Y86945* is indeed a Bulgar clade and not a clade that arrived to Hungary with the Avars some centuries earlier?

[axlredneck]

My speculation is that it could be related to the Great Migration period. What do you think?

And what are our indications that R-Y86945* is indeed a Bulgar clade and not a clade that arrived to Hungary with the Avars some centuries earlier?

Probable! But we'd need unmixed samples from that period to determine which steppe folks carried it originally.

[xripkan]

Probably a Hunnic line, the possibilty of it's being Bulgar in origin is also possible since the parental haplogroups are found among Karachay-Balkars.

The parental haplogroups are found among Europeans (R-YP4768) and Pamiris of China (R-S12099).

It's the other R-F2935 subclade (R-Y37912) that has been found in Balkars which seems generally more "eastern"

[Demirkazık]

The parental haplogroups are found among Europeans (R-YP4768) and Pamiris of China (R-S12099).

It's the other R-F2935 subclade (R-Y37912) that has been found in Balkars which seems generally more "eastern"

Paternal haplo of R-S12099 (R-F2935) is also found among Karachay-Balkars, Azerbaijani Turks and Anatolian Turks, I can't pinpoint the exact origin of this haplo but it's more or less related with the migration of Turks into the West. It could also be from the Sarmatians that got absorbed into the Turkics.

[Leto]

A huge-ass study on Volga/Ural Tatar Y-DNA, almost 2,000 samples tested with FTDNA. It's in Russian. One of the biggest highlights:

- Eastern European haplogroups + Baltic-Slavic-Finnish subclades of N: 30%
- Western European haplogroups: 9%
- Western Asian & Southern European haplogroups: 27%
- Uralic & Siberian haplogroups: 11%
- Asian subclades of West Eurasian haplogroups (e.g. R1a-Z93 and Asian branches of R1b and J2): 13%
- East Asian haplogroups: 9%

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