What is the origins of Caucasoid ancestry of Uralic speakers?

[Straightman]

By this I exclude modern Hungarians whose ethnic origins are better known. But I don't exclude ancient Hungarians. We know Proto-Uralics were Mongoloids from Siberia, but what about the Europeans they assimilated? Were they IE speakers? Who were these peoples?

[jakob]

This video explains Finland, but I believe also applies to Northwest Russia. ANE mixed with WHG I think.

[Straightman]

Here is the conclusion to an article Russki sent me by pm.

And here it is, an appropriate fantasy description of the ethnolinguistic groups from the region. You are welcome:

During the Bronze Age, late Corded Ware groups evolve as the western Textile ware Fennic Balto-Slavic group in the Gulf of Finland; the Netted Ware Saamic Balto-Slavic group of inner Finland; the south Netted Ware / Akozino Volgaic Balto-Slavic groups of the Middle Volga; and the Anonino Permic Balto-Slavic group in the north-eastern Forest Zone; all developing still in close contact with each other, allowing for common traits to permeate dialects.
These Balto-Slavic groups would then incorporate west of the Urals during and after the Iron Age (ca. 800-500 BC first, and also later during their expansion to the north) limited ancestry and lineages from eastern European hunter-gatherer groups of Palaeo-European Fennic and Palaeo-Siberian Volgaic and Permic languages from the Circum-Artic region, but they adopted nevertheless the language of the newcomers in every single infiltration of N1c lineages and/or admixture with Siberian ancestry. Oh and don’t forget the Saamic peoples from central Sweden, of course, the famous N1c-L392 ‘Rurikid’ lineages expanding Saamic to the north and replacing Proto-Germanic…

The current model for those obsessed with modern Y-DNA is, therefore, that expanding Neolithic, Bronze Age and Iron Age cultures from north-eastern Europe adopted the languages of certain lineages originally from sub-Neolithic (Scandinavian and Siberian) hunter-gatherer populations of the Circum-Artic region; lineages that these cultures incorporated unevenly during their expansions. Hmmmm… Sounds like an inverse Western movie, where expanding Americans end up speaking Apache, and the eastern coast speaks Spanish until Italian migrants arrive and make everyone speak English… or something. A logic, no-nonsense approach to ethnolinguistic identification.

I kid you not, this is the kind of models we are going to see very soon. In 2018 and 2019, with ancient DNA able to confirm or reject archaeological hypotheses based on linguistic data, people will keep instead creating new pet theories to support preconceived ideas based on the Y-DNA prevalent among modern populations. That is, information available in the 2000s.

So what’s (so much published) ancient DNA useful for, exactly?

https://indo-european.eu/2018/10/cor...rian-ancestry/

[Straightman]

It also says that Proto-Uralic homeland was probably in Central Russia based on linguistic evidence of many loanwords from Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Indo-Iranian which shows they were neighbors of these peoples. I guess the Proto-Uralics were from beginning a mix of Eastern European HGs and Siberian HGs and they migrated to Arctic region of Fenno-Scandia where they assimilated more HGs of similar mixed ancestry and later they assimilated some of the expanding early Balto-Slavic and to a small extent Proto-Germanic peoples in parts of NE Europe.