Ideology and Racial Differences?

[Lioncourt]

Known in europe is something -were they able to build one and use in any war? But Ottomans had cannon technology to build and operate such gigantic cannon even pre-Istanbul era. More generally, all historical accounts state that Ottomans had superior firearms to any european and they were able to quickly conquer Balkans.

I think this facts contradict with your "not superior" Ottomans idea.

Ottoman success on the Balkans had a lot to do with Balkan countries being divided and fighting one another.

But even if Ottomans had superior military, this didn't benefit Balkan people in any way. Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs pretty much had almost got into their own version of cultural Renaissance by time they were conquered.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ottoman success on the Balkans had a lot to do with Balkan countries being divided and fighting one another.

But even if Ottomans had superior military, this didn't benefit Balkan people in any way. Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs pretty much had almost got into their own version of cultural Renaissance by time they were conquered.

I still see a brazen hypocrisy in bemoaning the Ottoman takeover of the Balkans while being neutral if not praising the European powers' takeover of various places in the Global South. Whatever the developments in things like infrastructure and technology, those are ultimately incidental and colonialism is degrading, oppressive and exploitative for the colonised.

[Mortimer]

Different individuals have different genetic IQ, then why should people blindly assume that entire groups have exactly the same genetic IQ?
If being smarter means being better at maths, sciences, coming up with new technology then yes, Whites are smarter than Blacks (on average). You just need to look at the world with open eyes and be honest to yourself. There are things blacks are better at though.

But why would entire such large groups and arbitrary groups like "caucasian" or "white" and "negroe" be all homogenous, and the same? Do you think if whites have newton that all whites are newton? Is it possible that one black and one white have more similar iq then two whites or two blacks? Yes its possible, so its more complex, more diversity.

[Universe]

But why would entire such large groups and arbitrary groups like "caucasian" or "white" and "negroe" be all homogenous, and the same? Do you think if whites have newton that all whites are newton? Is it possible that one black and one white have more similar iq then two whites or two blacks? Yes its possible, so its more complex, more diversity.

That is why I said: "on average" in my previous post.

I did not claim all individuals from a big group are all the same. There are smart black people and dumb white people, but the dumb to smart people ratio can differ between races and even between ethnicities of the same race. Not all Whites are Newton but Newtons and semi-Newtons can more frequently be found among non-Africans (especially among NW Europeans and maybe East Asians) than among Africans.

[Mortimer]

That is why I said: "on average" in my previous post.

I did not claim all individuals from a big group are all the same. There are smart black people and dumb white people, but the dumb to smart people ratio can differ between races and even between ethnicities of the same race. Not all Whites are Newton but Newtons and semi-Newtons can more frequently be found among non-Africans (especially among NW Europeans and maybe East Asians) than among Africans.

Ok fair enough, but this has maybe also environmental reasons and can be changed, like height for example, 200 years ago even whites had lower IQs and shorter height right? But yes its racial and genetic too but there is also something like eugenics, if races cannot change why Hitler believed in eugenics for germans?

[Universe]

Ok fair enough, but this has maybe also environmental reasons and can be changed, like height for example, 200 years ago even whites had lower IQs and shorter height right? But yes its racial and genetic too but there is also something like eugenics, if races cannot change why Hitler believed in eugenics for germans?

Eugenics is real (so is dysgenics). Sadly it's a taboo topic in the modern world.

[Mortimer]

Eugenics is real. Sadly it's a taboo in the modern world.

some wokes use it too in a twisted wicked way, examples are abortion and euthanasia, actually its the christians who condemn all forms of eugenics. not leftists.

[rothaer]

There are differences across "races" of course and obviously but there is a broad spectrum of human diversity, inter-ethnic, or national differences, by origin, by religion, and also biological differences between individuals, like obviously "height" or "body type" endomorph, ectomorph, exomorph. Overall its 99.99% universally since always even in imperialism times accepted that all humans are the same species, and that all are humans, so the differences are rather minimal compared to the commonalities. Its a false evil ideology to claim differences based on race, nowadays its unheard of anymore, but back then people justified slavery based on race, like that certain races like negroes are 3/4 of a human and they made the argument "with differences between races".

First, a big proportion of these huge commonalities is information like having a metabolism based on oxygene, having a spine, arms and legs etc. Humas share abt. 40% of their DNA with yeast.

Second, small deviations can matter much, cf. Down syndrome and various other illnesses.

This "99.99%" insight - it's 99.98%, I think - is somewhat pseudo. The differences between human populations are exactly like we get it demonstrated every day all around the world, not more and not less. I consider the enduring for millenia differences between Denmark and Nigeria not irrelevant.

In fact, the high commonality of "99.99%" is even a precondition for races being a topic. Because if the commonalities would be just 99.95%, the individuals could not biologically mix and it would all have been as relaxed as with chimpanzees and gorillas, sheep and cattle.

[oszkar07]

Eugenics is real (so is dysgenics). Sadly it's a taboo topic in the modern world.

Do you think National characteristic generalisations can be real.

If so,

What national characteristic generalisations can be valid for Hungarians.

[rothaer]

Do you think National characteristic generalisations can be real.

If so,

What national characteristic generalisations can be valid for Hungarians.

As the question is not directed to me, just a remark:

I think that national characteristic generalisations are essentially true and that they express like a bell curve in the spread of individual characteristics. These bell curves regularly overlap much with neighbouring populations. The main difference is that they are centered somewhat differently.

This causes (long term) the known differences between various countries.