ethnically speaking are northern Ukranians paler than the southern French?

[Oliver109]

As well as skin 2. It's congruent with other studies.


Usually i recognize Poles in France by their skin more than anything else, they have an intense yellowish tone, not golden like Germanics and Scandinavians. Ukrainians too since now we have refugees, have sometimes extremely dark skins, it's like they have a smoke screen in front of it and yellowish too. Very rare to see one of them with reddish undertones like in Celtic/UK people. I wouldn't be surprised one bit Ukrainians also darker in skin on average than Portugueses.

Most Slavs are pretty swarthy i agree but like i said pale Slavs are not rare at all, in southern France pale locals are not common really and don't make up a significant part of the population.

[Oliver109]

I should have worded my post "are pale northern Ukranians more common than pale southern French" tbh but yeah i would say that on the whole the southern French are slightly lighter but also have imo less pale individuals.

[Incal]

I wonder how can anyone be ethnically pale.

[Petalpusher]

Most Slavs are pretty swarthy i agree but like i said pale Slavs are not rare at all, in southern France pale locals are not common really and don't make up a significant part of the population.

Obviously if you live at lower lattitudes that's gonna produce a greater divergence from your unexposed skin. It's only a valid comparison for groups living in the same place but that's why spectrometry on unexposed skin is used to mitigate that. I thought Scandinavians could get surprisingly dark tans here, but i hadn't seen the Ukrainians yet...

[Oliver109]

Obviously if you live at lower lattitudes that's gonna produce a greater divergence from your unexposed skin. It's only a valid comparison for groups living in the same place. I thought Scandinavians could get surprisingly dark tans here, but i hadn't seen the Ukrainians yet...

I would expect Ukranians to look darker as they are further east, many Serbians and Bosnians can be surprisingly light despite being at the same latitude as Toulouse.

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Septentrion]

Some people don't seem to be aware of how pale and western looking many people from Ukraine and eastern Europe are, living near areas with large E Euro communities including quite a few Ukranians they often go quite unnoticed until you hear their accent, the same generally isn't the case for people from southern France.

I don’t know, but to me Eastern Euros look pretty distinct most likely due their different morphology. Northern and Western Ukrainians are overall lighter-haired (especially women) and lighter-eyed than Southern French folk but can’t tell if they are lighter-skinned though. Both groups are a bunch of brachycephals or near brachycephals (especially Southern French folks). Perhaps due to the fact that they’re lighter-haired and lighter-eyed, you seem to have a harder telling them apart.

[cass]

There is no need to fantasize.




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[cass]

As well as skin 2. It's congruent with other studies.


Usually i recognize Poles in France by their skin more than anything else, they have an intense yellowish tone, not golden like Germanics and Scandinavians. Ukrainians too since now we have refugees, have sometimes extremely dark skins, it's like they have a smoked screen in front of it and yellowish too. Very rare to see one of them with reddish undertones like in Celtic/UK people. I wouldn't be surprised one bit Ukrainians also darker in skin on average than Portugueses.

I really like ignorant people. I understand that you professionally check the color of the skin under someone's armpit.

[Voskos]

As well as skin 2. It's congruent with other studies.


Usually i recognize Poles in France by their skin more than anything else, they have an intense yellowish tone, not golden like Germanics and Scandinavians. Ukrainians too since now we have refugees, have sometimes extremely dark skins, it's like they have a smoked screen in front of it and yellowish too. Very rare to see one of them with reddish undertones like in Celtic/UK people. I wouldn't be surprised one bit Ukrainians also darker in skin on average than Portugueses.

maybe you saw some fat poles that had insulin resistance and developed acanthosis nigricans.