Do you consider Bulgarians Slavic?

[hazmatnik]

I know that Medvedja and Kurshumlija are completely populated by Serbian colonists from Montenegro though

Medvedja is only partly populated with people from Montenegro, there are villages (like mine) completely populated from east (Znepole and Vlasina) and there are some people who came from Kosovo (mostly Gnjilane and Kamenica regions).

[Psycho]

Medvedja is only partly populated with people from Montenegro, there are villages (like mine) completely populated from east (Znepole and Vlasina) and there are some people who came from Kosovo (mostly Gnjilane and Kamenica regions).

Really?
My family is from Tran area (Zvonci, Vuchidel, Vrapcha...)
Znepole is older name for Tran area

[hazmatnik]

Really?
My family is from Tran area (Zvonci, Vuchidel, Vrapcha...)
Znepole is older name for Tran area

My maternal grandpa family left Vuci Del in 1880. and settled in Srednji Bucumet but as far as story goes not all brothers left and we should still have some cousins in Vuci Del.

[Psycho]

My maternal grandpa family left Vuci Del in 1880. and settled in Srednji Bucumet but as far as story goes not all brothers left and we should still have some cousins in Vuci Del.

Be proud, comrade, for being from Znepole
Btw I have a question, is it true that inhabitants of Crna Trava are from Herzegovina and Kosovo (as some people claim)

[Psycho]

It's true that all that was just caused by their geographic position. I maybe expressed my self badly. I do not consider the Bulgarians the current head of the Slavic world, but in the historic-cultural development. This past - not current - position of the Bulgarians does connect them so much with the Slavic world that they must remain Slavic, no matter what.

I agree with first half of your reply
We really had great medieval history
But we do not have lot of Slavic DNA

[hazmatnik]

Be proud, comrade, for being from Znepole
Btw I have a question, is it true that inhabitants of Crna Trava are from Herzegovina and Kosovo (as some people claim)

Crna Trava is mixed bag, my maternal grandma side is from that area (but moved to Prokuplje area in 1880.) and some families claim ancestry from Herzegovina, some from Kopaonik and Raška (like my maternal grandma mother family) some from Kyustendil and Trn area, some from Macedonia.

I found in literature that one of my ancestors (maternal grandma's grandma family) came to Crna Trava from town of Rila near Dupnitsa.

My maternal grandma family is originally from Dolna Melna but looks like they came there from Crna Trava in early 1800s.

I did DNA tests to my grandmas and grandpa and based on matches it looks like those areas were meeting points of old settlers, settlers from west and settlers from east. Many people were hiding in those high and not so easily accessible mountains.

[Tommie]

Also, sure, they may be somewhat closer to Italians than like Russians, Poles, and many Ukrainians

Not only somewhat, but far closer to Italians, North Slavs are very far genetically. Romanians are closer even to Spaniards than to Poles.

Only northeast Italian average is bit cloeser for Romanians than Bosnian and even Croatian, the other Italian averages are far away.

B&H is too Northern by ancestry, I doubt Romanians are closer to them than to Italians.

[Dušan]

B&H is too Northern by ancestry, I doubt Romanians are closer to them than to Italians.

Romanian,0.1243776,0.1340499,0.0344207,0.0084861,0.0285368,0.0036508,0.0037814,0.005664,0.0019336,0.0060138,-0.0031002,-0.0004632,-0.0002433,0.0085576,-0.0123011,-0.0018925,0.0047412,-0.0010596,0.0038737,-0.0030014,-0.006965,-0.0023269,0.0039663,0.0012598,-0.0007185
Bosnian,0.1290754,0.1348622,0.0449528,0.0248064,0.0312058,0.0098726,0.004841,0.0052152,-0.0024136,-0.001859,0.0004224,-0.0028176,0.00556,0.0162396,-0.0125404,0.0010078,0.0066756,-0.000583,0.004827,0.0030266,-0.0050912,-0.0034376,0.0075182,0.001229,-0.0016286
Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.0024248
Italian_Campania,0.1082633,0.1483844,-0.0085287,-0.0434559,0.014038,-0.0161541,-0.0007773,-0.002201,0.0045074,0.0220997,0.000968,0.0022653,-0.0049801,-0.0014397,-0.0062588,-0.0008056,0.0023319,1e-07,0.0028137,-0.0037277,-0.0039642,0.0019071,0.000256,0.0021041,0.0001888
Italian_Emilia,0.1201644,0.1443503,0.018856,-0.0179034,0.028093,-0.0043427,0.00047,0.0007253,0.0072751,0.0232741,-0.0005334,0.0098911,-0.0102789,-0.0054069,-0.0016676,-0.0014774,0.0001489,0.000543,0.0026396,-0.0044486,-0.000713,0.0014133,0.0008804,0.0041657,-0.000958
Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada,0.126344,0.153345,0.034695,0.00969,0.025235,0.001394,0.006345,0,0.005318,0.020957,-0.00065,0.006294,-0.01888,-0.00289,-0.00475,-0.00305,0.002868,0,-0.002514,-0.003877,-0.006863,-0.008285,-0.000863,0.007471,0.002754
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1131402,0.1527356,0.0067882,-0.0343026,0.021173,-0.0109324,0.003243,-0.000277,0.0064218,0.0242372,0.0005196,0.0025478,-0.0095738,-0.0052296,-0.0067316,0.0029434,0.0010432,0.000456,0.0026898,-0.004227,-0.0019214,0.0042288,0.000567,0.0007232,-0.0005748
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1229289,0.1478865,0.0267282,-0.0157462,0.0334679,-0.0074602,0.0021444,0.0021345,0.0094081,0.030479,-0.0024968,0.0074932,-0.0154979,-0.0054532,-0.0021544,-0.0053865,-0.0041398,0.0011404,0.0028911,-0.0041739,-0.003603,0.0010203,0.0002465,0.002937,-0.0019609
Italian_Marche,0.1160426,0.1481657,0.0079571,-0.0294253,0.0206498,-0.0104304,0.000376,-0.0018922,0.0058597,0.0201552,-0.0001137,0.003252,-0.0077676,-0.0024566,-0.0047162,-0.0022673,0.0004563,0.0009248,0.0026712,-0.0030702,-0.0011168,0.0026275,-0.0001972,0.0035666,-0.0016886
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1228476,0.1476145,0.0224926,-0.0125047,0.0299834,-0.0049004,0.0023332,-0.0004781,0.0085171,0.023209,-0.0012526,0.0058663,-0.0110859,-0.0049151,0.0005429,-0.0019794,0.0008289,0.0019276,0.0021909,-0.0034034,-0.0011141,0.0010952,-0.0018398,0.0045271,-0.0012914
Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige,0.1258379,0.1461234,0.0346112,-0.0039478,0.0391868,-0.0029128,0.0034206,0.002051,0.0112259,0.0241159,-0.0035183,0.0051954,-0.0131812,-0.0043121,-0.001282,-0.0016206,0.0022456,0.0013372,0.004637,-0.003085,-0.0025371,0.0032836,-0.0025334,0.0013389,-0.0030603
Italian_Tuscany,0.1188095,0.1477838,0.0138816,-0.0210104,0.025294,-0.0089378,-0.0010631,-0.0016263,0.0056488,0.0232394,-0.0003092,0.0060661,-0.0114752,-0.0037026,-0.0022426,-0.0008145,0.0021544,0.0002896,0.0033339,-0.0038293,-0.0019669,0.0014072,-0.0007337,0.003196,-0.0012259
Italian_Umbria,0.1159369,0.1481223,0.0068153,-0.0284471,0.0204214,-0.0091237,0,-0.0005276,0.0060626,0.0256562,0.0014151,0.0062302,-0.0097479,-0.004807,-0.0033543,0.0015437,0.0041164,0.0005882,0.0022535,-0.0039841,-0.002656,0.0021549,-0.0003081,0.0022206,-0.0004106
Italian_Veneto,0.1261539,0.1482673,0.0307563,-0.0062806,0.0344849,-0.0008212,0.0021542,0.0020511,0.010374,0.0229011,-0.0023365,0.0054868,-0.0110339,-0.0044574,-0.0022469,0.0018783,0.0046793,0.0018299,0.0026746,-0.0036476,-0.0006863,0.0032836,-0.0002191,0.0019079,-0.0022087

[ioas12]

Only northeast Italian average is bit cloeser for Romanians than Bosnian and even Croatian, the other Italian averages are far away.

This is a first usually for romanian average I see Montenegrins first or Bulgarians or serbs but never pomaks

[Dušan]

This is a first usually for romanian average I see Montenegrins first or Bulgarians or serbs but never pomaks

Someone recently added Pomaks averages into spreadsheet.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr...CQncZWb8y/view