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    Euro-only:

    Target: K36.raw.Brad
    Distance: 927.8169% / 9.27816945 | ADC: 2x RC
    45.4 Icelandic
    39.2 Norwegian
    15.4 Danish

    Target: K36.raw.Brad
    Distance: 773.7310% / 7.73730974
    45.6 Irish
    39.4 Norwegian
    5.0 Belarusian
    5.0 Finnish
    5.0 Portuguese


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    Target: K36.raw.Brad
    Distance: 847.0893% / 8.47089324 | ADC: 2x RC
    51.8 German_Frisian
    42.8 Norwegian
    5.4 Icelandic

    Target: K36.raw.Brad
    Distance: 491.4002% / 4.91400235
    65.6 German_Frisian
    9.8 Spanish_Cantabria
    8.6 German_Lower_Silesia
    6.0 Finnish_Southwest
    3.4 Brahui
    2.4 Irish_Ulster
    2.0 Saami_Norway
    1.4 Armenian_Hemsheni
    0.4 Finnish_Southeast_Ingria
    0.4 Karitiana

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    Without regional coordinates, the results are idiotic.


    Target: cass
    Distance: 829.2990% / 8.29299048 | ADC: 0.5x
    60.8 Czech
    26.4 Polish
    9.6 Estonian
    3.2 Lithuanian

    Target: German_East
    Distance: 202.8835% / 2.02883500 | ADC: 0.5x
    64.2 Czech
    25.4 German
    10.4 Danish


    Target: German_West_Prussia
    Distance: 472.8035% / 4.72803517 | ADC: 0.5x
    53.6 Czech
    19.0 Polish
    18.0 Norwegian
    8.0 Slovak
    1.4 Irish

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    Without regional coordinates, the results are idiotic.


    Target: cass
    Distance: 829.2990% / 8.29299048 | ADC: 0.5x
    60.8 Czech
    26.4 Polish
    9.6 Estonian
    3.2 Lithuanian

    Target: German_East
    Distance: 202.8835% / 2.02883500 | ADC: 0.5x
    64.2 Czech
    25.4 German
    10.4 Danish


    Target: German_West_Prussia
    Distance: 472.8035% / 4.72803517 | ADC: 0.5x
    53.6 Czech
    19.0 Polish
    18.0 Norwegian
    8.0 Slovak
    1.4 Irish
    Can you post your distances?

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    Target: K36noricum(austrian)
    Distance: 756.7920% / 7.56792040
    51.2 Polish
    19.2 North_Macedonian
    13.8 Swiss_German
    9.0 Irish
    6.8 Portuguese


    Target: K36noricum(austrian)
    Distance: 827.0290% / 8.27028997 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    43.8 Slovak
    28.4 Austrian
    15.0 Slovenian
    12.8 Serb

    Distance to: K36noricum(austrian)
    8.80018182 Slovenian
    9.72584701 Hungarian
    9.93474710 Croatian
    10.65082626 Slovak
    10.81150776 Czech
    12.08308322 Austrian
    12.80445626 Bosnian
    12.97121814 Serb
    14.52833783 Montenegrin
    14.60755969 German
    14.87989919 Ukrainian
    14.91434209 Polish
    15.64234317 Romanian
    17.18404493 Bulgarian
    17.85725623 Afrikaner
    18.08588953 Swiss_German
    18.96227043 Swiss
    19.18529124 Flemish
    19.37209849 Belgian
    19.64639407 Moldovan
    19.65547761 North_Macedonian
    20.03727526 Belarusian
    20.05301972 Walloon
    20.52399571 French
    20.91787035 Dutch

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    Distance to: Kiel
    12.42375950 Austrian
    12.78595714 Afrikaner
    13.50852694 German
    13.99985357 Swiss_German
    14.27958333 Flemish
    14.61860116 Belgian
    14.76406787 French
    15.01788267 Swiss
    15.51293009 English
    15.65739761 British
    15.67257158 Walloon
    16.09300469 Dutch
    16.72725321 Hungarian
    16.85946915 Scottish
    16.89248946 Welsh
    17.26887084 Danish
    17.39930458 Czech
    17.46975959 Croatian
    17.48696372 Icelandic
    17.56068621 Slovenian
    17.93301982 Swedish
    17.94445597 Irish
    18.22888367 Norwegian
    18.44361407 Montenegrin
    18.88648194 Serb

    Target: Kiel
    Distance: 872.4727% / 8.72472711 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    40.6 French
    27.2 Austrian
    12.2 Ashkenazi
    10.2 Swedish
    9.8 Finnish

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    As always, I am Croatian...

    Distance to: Gergő
    10.69991589 Croatian
    10.82930284 Slovenian
    11.51244110 Hungarian
    12.07578155 Slovak
    12.41839362 Bosnian
    13.31878373 Ukrainian
    13.44277873 Czech
    13.77054465 Serb
    14.90024161 Polish
    15.56984907 Montenegrin

    Target: Gergő
    Distance: 9.3789% / 9.37893001 | ADC: 0.25x
    37.0 Slovenian
    33.2 Romanian
    28.9 Belarusian
    0.9 Finnish

    Target: Gergő
    Distance: 9.9312% / 9.93123478 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    53.1 Croatian
    27.2 Ukrainian
    19.7 Slovenian

    Without the Croatian and Slovenian average and with 1x ADC:

    Target: Gergő
    Distance: 10.7060% / 10.70601848 | ADC: 1x
    75.2 Hungarian
    20.4 Ukrainian
    4.4 Slovak

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    Target: Gallop
    Distance: 998.8629% / 9.98862874
    56.2 Spanish
    32.2 Irish
    11.6 Sardinian

    Target: Father
    Distance: 1097.4298% / 10.97429787
    93.6 Spanish
    3.2 Belarusian
    2.0 Sardinian
    1.2 Finnish



    Distance to: Gallop
    12.76611139 Spanish
    13.83048445 Portuguese
    13.95242631 French
    18.85467316 Swiss
    18.98817527 Swiss_German
    20.92292045 Afrikaner
    21.03965779 Walloon
    21.52873893 Belgian
    21.91054084 Flemish
    22.18197466 Swiss_Italian
    22.40690295 Welsh
    22.45874885 British
    22.46226836 English
    22.82826756 Irish
    22.85136757 Scottish
    23.44909593 Austrian
    24.47352856 German
    24.71369661 Italian
    25.09547569 Dutch
    25.38101062 Romanian
    26.73802910 Montenegrin
    26.82375440 Bulgarian
    27.11840519 Serb
    27.73823534 Hungarian
    27.95289609 Icelandic

    Distance to: Father
    11.18229851 Spanish
    12.10862915 Portuguese
    19.40719969 French
    23.60963786 Swiss_Italian
    23.64592354 Swiss
    24.29070604 Swiss_German
    25.63131678 Italian
    26.20922166 Romanian
    27.42067468 Afrikaner
    27.48515236 Walloon
    27.71857680 Austrian
    27.89865409 Serb
    28.11996088 Bulgarian
    28.19686153 Belgian
    28.29695037 Montenegrin
    28.65245888 Flemish
    29.17284011 Albanian
    29.82095572 Croatian
    29.85874244 English
    29.96533998 British
    29.99636311 Moldovan
    30.18618393 Hungarian
    30.20990235 North_Macedonian
    30.24424243 German
    30.34747271 Welsh
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    K36 is not good for me...i have an abnormal shift from Iberian to Basque (2,4 - 7,56) which ruins it...

    It can't be balanced with any population group. Not even Basque's thermself have higher Basque Region than Iberian

    Basque:Basque_France 40,75 - 33,45
    Basque:Basque_Spain 37,91 - 35,14


    Distance to: Micha_K36
    11.20032589 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
    11.60325816 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
    11.90123943 German
    12.09891731 German_Westphalia
    12.46497894 German_Lower_Saxony_South
    12.47233338 German_Northwest
    12.54477581 Dutch
    12.55843541 German_North_Rhine
    12.56922432 Dutch_Central
    12.75635920 Flemish
    12.79436204 German_Schleswig-Holstein
    12.79630025 Belgian
    12.82961418 Dutch_South
    13.30877906 German_Lower_Saxony_North
    13.36475589 Walloon
    13.62871968 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
    13.72872536 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
    13.83534965 Afrikaner
    13.85358437 English_East-Midlands
    13.90883892 German_Thuringia_East
    14.00135708 Dutch_North
    14.06149352 Austrian
    14.07218888 Danish
    14.17232162 English_West-Midlands
    14.38220776 German_South
    14.44509952 English_East
    14.53158629 English_Yorkshire
    14.59869857 English
    14.66495141 English_Southeast
    14.79142657 British
    14.80577252 German_Saxony
    14.92265392 German_Baden-Württemberg
    14.96459488 English_Lancashire
    14.99872995 English_Northeast
    15.04172862 Austrian_LowerAustria
    15.09474412 German_East
    15.25636916 French_Normandy
    15.43457158 German_Mecklenburg_West
    15.57390767 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
    15.67393059 Scottish_Highlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by leachim_x View Post
    It can't be balanced with any population group. Not even Basque's thermself have higher Basque Region than Iberian

    It is intentionally designed that the ethnic Basques would score more "Iberian" than "Basque". The so-called "Basque" in K36 is a very specific drift that doesn't extend greatly outside the ethnic Basques and admixed areas of France and Spain. If the so-called "Basque" component was disproportionally concentrated among the ethnic Basques, their coordinates would look like a bunch of zeroes with a single "100" in the position of the so-called "Basque" component, which would produce absurd distances between Basques and other populations when calculating them on a simple tool like Vahaduo which doesn't account for a relationship between components.

    Here is a tip: don't pay attention to the labels of the components. They are arbitrary labels based on a broad association with their geographic distribution. The components could very well have no labels at all and you would get 36 anonymous numbers like you have 25 anonymous numbers in G25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    It is intentionally designed that the ethnic Basques would score more "Iberian" than "Basque". The so-called "Basque" in K36 is a very specific drift that doesn't extend greatly outside the ethnic Basques and admixed areas of France and Spain. If the so-called "Basque" component was disproportionally concentrated among the ethnic Basques, their coordinates would look like a bunch of zeroes with a single "100" in the position of the so-called "Basque" component, which would produce absurd distances between Basques and other populations when calculating them on a simple tool like Vahaduo which doesn't account for a relationship between components.

    Here is a tip: don't pay attention to the labels of the components. They are arbitrary labels based on a broad association with their geographic distribution. The components could very well have no labels at all and you would get 36 anonymous numbers like you have 25 anonymous numbers in G25.
    Thank you for the detailed answer. I like that you always spread the knowledge in a nice way
    But yes, I am absolutely aware of most that you explained. I was also fully aware that some regions were very specific, some poorly delineated, some misleadingly labeled, etc. I just didn't knew the intention behind it.
    I already had the awareness that these regions didn't mean everything, and also could be misleading at some point...but of course they mean something. The thing is, I viualized this results in Excel and compared them back and forth. I did a manual OLS calculation with the individual deficits and surpluses.

    I just say that this exotic shift is mathematically responsable for ruining my results from ~5-6 distances to relevant groups up to 11,5 -12,5. I mean...like i said the ratio is 2,4 to 7,56. Thats like factor x3. This is very exotic. Even very rare to find in single individuals samples from ancient times. If i remember correctly i found a few Vikings and Hallstat samples with a lot of this "Basque" region values.

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