Slovenes = lost Brazilians???

[Rumata]

How do you explain that?

I haven't examined the subject closely but my guess is in the case of Russian the mayor role was played by strong and lasting authority while many little languages have dozens of dialect divided in small partly isolated communities.

[luc2112]

Nope, quite influenced by foreigners as it could not be any different, colonial and post colonial immigrants. Portuguese were always minority in Colonial Brasil, and like I told you they mixed their language, they did it in all the places they settled not only in Brazil. Not saying it is better or worse, it's just the way it is and nothing wrong with it. It shows the diversity of Brazilians.

Other race and foreigners who learn Portuguese tend to suppress some intonations like sh.. and L palatal (Portugal/Spain).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTGQrndu1HA


Creole Brazilian Portuguese tends to be eliminated over time by entering standard Brazilian Portuguese, Being in the south, I must clearly understand another Brazilian from Amazonas who is 4 thousand km away. I can also understand a Guatemalan speaking Spanish (many Latam countries have standard Spanish)

But what is that suppose to mean, the video? Funny thing I am actually Northern Portuguese and 1/4 Galician, my Portuguese family is precisely from the border with Galicia. I know well the region. But what are you trying to teach me? Well I know, but you are clueless about the matter.

If you change the intonation of some words and change palatal L, the Galician language will be very close to Brazilian Portuguese

Don't tell me you don't know that Galician language is nowadays strongly influenced by Castillian? A good chunk of Galicians speak it as second language only, or that some don't speak it at all. Visit Galicia one day, let's say that if Galicia was an independent kingdom they wouldn't speak like they do nowadays.

Yes, they said in the video that only a few speak Portuguese(old)/Spanish

Ironically the "Brazilian" that I find the most similar to Portuguese is in fact from the south, where apart from some Azorian influence mostly in Florianópolis region I believe, Manezinho accent etc is the region with less Portuguese influence. Why is that? It happens due to some similarities between euro languages and Portuguese, not by direct Portuguese influence.

One of the best Portuguese in Brazil that I consider is from Pernambuco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLhs00CyBqg

[Alenka]

It could be influence of the pre-Slavic Romance population.
Listen to the part with Emilian-Romagnol at 14:07 to 18:14 for example.
Sounds incredibly Brazilian, doesnt it? Especially the 2nd part.

Meanwhile, Friulian curiously sounds to me like a blending of Portuguese and Albanian, listen from 27:44.

It might be that the pre-Slavic Romance population on the territory of current Slovenia had pockets of various dialects.
Maybe even dialectal variety of Slovene itself is a reflection of that.

[Abaddon]

Sounds incredibly Brazilian, doesnt it?

No.

[Alenka]

Yesterday on boat I heard some foreigners talking which sounded BRUTALY LIKE Brazilian Portugese (not Portugal Portugese, Brazilian Portuguese has different sound), and it turned out it was Slovenian when I came closer!

It sounded totally like Brazilian Portuguese from afar, full of sh sh sh(ššš) sounds, very fast talking and....listen any Neymar interview. Sounded totally like that but with Slavic vocabulary.

Which dialect of Slovenian was that? Sounded shockingly Brazilian!

Im betting on Ljubljana dialect.

[Jased]

Even as a native Spanish speaker I always found Portuguese odd to me despite claims being closer to Spanish I never really found to be that way. In any case I find Italian much closer.

[luc2112]

Wrong, "ze" Russian are, Just listen to the songs:

In fact, Russians and Brazilians understand each other quickly. I remember former president Bolsonaro's visit to Russia It was more than just a formal diplomatic visit between countries.

Curious facts about the World Cup in Russia:

[Generalissimo]

That's because you probably only heard the carioca accent (Rio de Janeiro), and that "Sh" is a characteristic sound there, while the rest speak in various totally different accents that have nothing to do with the RJ one.

Most Brazilians outside Rio dislike it, myself included

But the sound "sh", what brazilians call "chiado" is most common in Portugal than in Brazil...
Portuguese people use that sound almost around the country.
Brazilians only use the "chiado" in Rio de Janeiro, Florianópolis and some other more areas, but considering the country the most don't use it.
Indeed when I speak in portuguese I use the "sh - chiado", because I learned the language in my adolescence, I lived there in Rio de Janeiro, around half an year by some work issues of my dad.

Regarding the 'S' chiado (hissing 'S') in brazilian portuguese the accents can be divided in three categories:

I: Those where the hissing 'S' is never or almost never present, as is the case with the Porto Alegre variant.
E.g: espaço is realized as [isˈpasʊ]; estrela is realized as [isˈtɾelɐ]

II: Those where the hissing 'S' is present only before specific consonants, chiefly /t/ and /d/, as is the case in most Northeast variants.
E.g: espaço is realized as [isˈpasʊ]; estrela is realized as [iʃˈtɾelɐ]

III: Those where the hissing 'S' is very predominant if not categorical in coda position, as is the case with the Rio de Janeiro variant.
E.g: espaço is realized as [iʃˈpasʊ]; estrela is realized as [iʃˈtɾelɐ]

Below is the % of /S/ palatization in the Brazilian state capitals according to ALiB:

[Generalissimo]

Nope, quite influenced by foreigners as it could not be any different, colonial and post colonial immigrants. Portuguese were always minority in Colonial Brasil, and like I told you they mixed their language, they did it in all the places they settled not only in Brazil. Not saying it is better or worse, it's just the way it is and nothing wrong with it. It shows the diversity of Brazilians.
But what is that suppose to mean, the video? Funny thing I am actually Northern Portuguese and 1/4 Galician, my Portuguese family is precisely from the border with Galicia. I know well the region. But what are you trying to teach me? Well I know, but you are clueless about the matter.

Don't tell me you don't know that Galician language is nowadays strongly influenced by Castillian? A good chunk of Galicians speak it as second language only, or that some don't speak it at all. Visit Galicia one day, let's say that if Galicia was an independent kingdom they wouldn't speak like they do nowadays.

Ironically the "Brazilian" that I find the most similar to Portuguese is in fact from the south, where apart from some Azorian influence mostly in Florianópolis region I believe, Manezinho accent etc is the region with less Portuguese influence. Why is that? It happens due to some similarities between euro languages and Portuguese, not by direct Portuguese influence.

Despite the many different influences of brazilian portuguese this does not negate the fact that said variant is in some aspects more archaic and conservative than the EU-PT variants.

I'm curious, what do you find similar relatively speaking about the accents from the South aside from the Manezes? Those are prototypical southern accents:

Porto Alegre:



Chapecó:



Curitiba:



IMO they sound very different to the Portuguese.