Death Penalty...for or against?

[Qemetiel]

It sounds maniac and perverted. Punishment is made for justice, not for some lunacy like this.

But the crimes they've committed are empirically more manic and depraved. Do you think it's better just to give them a lobotomy an castrate them? I suppose you can either think of the suffering involved wholly or you can think of things very clinically but both options have deeper chicanery which leads to no good option in the end.

[ultright]

The whole point of justice is to remove threats to normal people. Prison for (actual) life does that just fine. The death penalty came back after idiots like California liberals were letting Rodney Alcala and Ted Bundy type guys out of prison after a few years on the advice of some psychiatrist.

[Exodus]

But the crimes they've committed are empirically more manic and depraved. Do you think it's better just to give them a lobotomy an castrate them? I suppose you can either think of the suffering involved wholly or you can think of things very clinically but both options have deeper chicanery which leads to no good option in the end.

Justice and punishment has nothing to do with emotions. It's literally deactivation and removal of source of something abnormal. Only another maniacs and perverts would do equal things towards maniacs and perverts. Shooting, hanging or deadly injecting such a criminal does not require for an executor to be a maniac at all, while torturing does.

[~Elizabeth~]

This is an old thread. I had already voted but when I did a search just now I found I never made a post here. I am for the death penalty.

[CosmoLady]

Justice and punishment has nothing to do with emotions. It's literally deactivation and removal of source of something abnormal. Only another maniacs and perverts would do equal things towards maniacs and perverts. Shooting, hanging or deadly injecting such a criminal does not require for an executor to be a maniac at all, while torturing does.

Exactly, the purpose of execution is to get rid of heinous criminals, when their guilt is not in doubt.

Keeping heinous criminals alive at taxpayer expense is retarded and fundamentally unjust.

[Salty Ears]

I probably already wrote about it here. I consider the moratorium on the death penalty to be quite justified. inhumans who have committed terrible crimes must spend the rest of their lives in a "Black dolphin" or "White Swan" and are outside a solitary prison cell only in the pose of a "dolphin" or "swan". the same "Perm shooter" would like to be killed, but a road policeman defused him with a shot in the leg and now he will rot in prison without a leg. yes, you will have to pay for detention in prison, but this is the price for the imperfection of society

[CosmoLady]

yes, you will have to pay for detention in prison, but this is the price for the imperfection of society

Why should one have to pay to keep alive heinous criminals? That money could be better spent elsewhere.

Japan executes murderers, is a serious and civilised country. So does Singapore, which even executes drug dealers.

One might say that killing off the undoubtedly evil people is part of the perfection of society,
at a small fraction of the cost of life imprisonment.

I don't really care if the mass murderer suffers or not,
because nothing can compare with the suffering he inflicted on his victims.

Why should I pay taxes to keep an undoubted heinous murderer alive when his victims did not enjoy the same privilege?

[Exodus]

Why should one have to pay to keep alive heinous criminals? That money could be better spent elsewhere.

Japan executes murderers, is a serious and civilised country. So does Singapore, which even executes drug dealers.

One might say that killing off the undoubtedly evil people is part of the perfection of society,
at a small fraction of the cost of life imprisonment.

I don't really care if the mass murderer suffers or not,
because nothing can compare with the suffering he inflicted on his victims.

Why should I pay taxes to keep an undoubted heinous murderer alive when his victims did not enjoy the same privilege?

It's not about emotions or suffering, it's about justice and adequate punishment of exact evil deeds and it's very Biblical. Russian Orthodox Church supports death penalty for exact crimes. Plus, Biblically it's the authority, the rulers, who have a permission to perform it, while any forms of revenge is not allowed. A person who lost a relative will be satisfied with justice when the killer is gonna be rightfully executed by those whom God granted this right to do.

But as I've mentioned, all cases of death penalties should be postponed for 10 years. Waiting for death knowing when it's gonna happen is a kind of punishment, too. Plus its a time for deeper investigation. Plus, it's a time for person to repent and seek for salvation at least in the eternity, one may be saved until he's alive.

[Salty Ears]

Why should one have to pay to keep alive heinous criminals? That money could be better spent elsewhere.

Japan executes murderers, is a serious and civilised country. So does Singapore, which even executes drug dealers.

One might say that killing off the undoubtedly evil people is part of the perfection of society,
at a small fraction of the cost of life imprisonment.

I don't really care if the mass murderer suffers or not,
because nothing can compare with the suffering he inflicted on his victims.

Why should I pay taxes to keep an undoubted heinous murderer alive when his victims did not enjoy the same privilege?

The essence of punishment is not to physically eliminate the offender or isolate him, but in the inevitability of punishment, which may have a positive effect on the prevention of crimes. I don't want to sound like an idealist, but if there is a chance that the most complete psychopath will think that he will have to spend his whole life in a cell for his atrocities without the opportunity to commit suicide and this will reduce the evil and death of innocent victims, then it means it's worth it. Yes, for this criminal
You'll have to pay. By the way, the penal enforcement system can earn money on its own. For example, in my region, prisoners are cutting down forests. I consider life imprisonment to be a heavier punishment than the death penalty. By the way,also I'm against tougher penalties for sexual assault. Let the rape victim stay alive rather than be killed by the rapist, as a witness to a crime who can lead the perpetrator to a long sentence. The Japanese are definitely not an authority for me in matters of respect for life and personal freedom.

PS before Andrei Chikatilo was arrested, they executed a man innocent of these crimes

[ray allan]

I must re-read Crime and Punishment, it's been a lot of years. Raskolnikov's anguish about what he had done in the novel is one of the best insights into this subject.

Still, I favor capital punishment.