Philistines were Europeans

[Samnium]

Greeks especially Cretans/Aegean islanders and Southern Italians have both Sardinian and Levantine-like dna, that doesn't make them Levantines.

It is rather Levantines that have assimilated tons of Aegean dna.

And irresoectively of DNA, their material culture came from Greece. Archeology has confirmed once again the ancient historians.

What is next, claim Crete, Cyprus and even Southern Italy as Levantine when these ethnic groups precede you?

Lol no, in reality Southern Italians are 20% post Neolithical Levant with some minor direct Iran_Neo/CHG, when I said "half MENA" is that they can be modelled as half Lebanese for example, Lebanese have already something like 50% EEF + some Steppe so you know, Southern Italians are very predominantly Europeans.

[Smeagol]

I think you misunderstood. Of course Minoans were Greeks, I was replying to the Smeagol claim that they weren't Indo-Europeans which is true.

If they weren't Indo-Europeans, they certainly weren't Greeks though.

[wvwvw]

If they weren't Indo-Europeans, they certainly weren't Greeks though.

The Indo-Europeans are a Marxist Slavo-Germanic fantasy.

DNA evidence proves that there was no such tribe as the Indo-Europeans. The population of Europe is made up of 10 different male, and 7 different female DNA lineages.

All of these linages were genetically distinct and living in different parts of Europe and Asia in 5000 BC. The common language of Europe evolved for at least a dozen or more different independent roots which combined as the different DNA lineages made contact with each other.

There is zero evidence of any tribal mixing prior to the advent of recorded history. The fact that the 10 male DNA lineages are not evenly distributed today and it is possible to work out in which regions they evolved is proof of that.

The fantasy of Pie was created in the 19th century. The reality is that every DNA linage spoke its own separate language and these languages merged during the period of recorded history because of wars, trade relations and colonisations which are well documented. It may surprise you to learn that language isn't inherited through the DNA.

[xripkan]

If they weren't Indo-Europeans, they certainly weren't Greeks though.

Ancient Greeks had both IndoEuropean and Pre-IndoEuropean ancestry. Minoans were ancestors of Mycenaeans/Ancient Greeks.

[Smeagol]

Ancient Greeks had both IndoEuropean and Pre-IndoEuropean ancestry. Minoans were ancestors of Mycenaeans/Ancient Greeks.

Minoans still weren't Greek-speakers themselves.

[xripkan]

Minoans still weren't Greek-speakers themselves.

Yes but this does not change the fact that they were ancestors of ancient Greeks. Ancient Gauls did not speak a Romance language during Iron Age. Does it mean that French have not ancestry from them?

[Aspar]

Disembling skopjan troll

Minoans had been indigenous to Greece for at least 10,000 years, that alone qualify them as Greek. Later on around 5000 BC another wave of R1 Greeks arrived from Iberia and together they evolved the Greek language.

By 1800BC Crete was already speaking Greek as the decipherment of Linear A tablets indicate. We have Linear A tablets deciphered from 1800 BC that show they spoke an early Aeolic dialect mixed with Ionic and a few Hurrian or Egyptian elements.
http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v014.htm

The Minoans were rules of the sea (Thallasocracy) long before the emergence of the Egyptian Dynasty. In fact the 19th, 18th and 15th dynasties were of Minoan Greek Origin. Sheshiwas the same person Zeus, who was born in Greece, and was a Hyksos king and "a ruler of the known world".

In Minoan (proto-Greek) times the name Zeus was pronounced Sdeus. Sa-a-si-te-pi was Zeus. Zeus is also referred to in Egyptian inscriptions from the same time as Sheshi. Sheshi is identical to Saasi.

There were actually two Zeus. Zeus I & Zeus II. Zeus the brother of Uranus was ruler of Crete whereas Zeus the son of Kronos was the ruler of the whole world.

His dominion extended from the pillars of Spain to Skythia. Prometheus was supposed to have been nailed to the Scythian rocks. Two locations are normally given, one is in Scythia and the other is at the Pillars of Hercules opposite Spain. Prometheus another king of Hellas, was also known as Brament (king of the Scythes), as Bath (king of the Illyrians) and Betus (king of Spain) are all the same person as he was ruler of a Minoan-Mycenaean's kingdom that extended from Greece and the Balkans to Spain and Great Britain and Ireland.

Those Greek Minoan kings were later deified by the Greeks and Romans and became their Gods. After a ten year Cretan war Zeus deposes Saturn who flees to Italy and name the country Saturnia. Zeus then proceedes to invade Egypt.

After the Thera Eruption and the great deluge that followed Greek state records are being destroyed. It is then when Danaus and Aegyptus bring back to Greece the names of the Kings (Gods) only, meaning their epithets and ritual associations.

But the Gods were Greeks, born in Greece and their tombs were in Greece. Zeus was buried in Crete the place of his birth.

DNA tests came to confirm the Ancient writers:

"Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos)."
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...nt-dna-reveals

Bitch shut the fuck up and don't miss to take your pills today.

What's next, the Greeks were the first on the moon?

Using your logic than we can say that Pelasgians were the ancestors of the Albanians or Bulgarians as well since they lived on their modern territory as well.

Now start writing 2, pages of nonsense until and so on if you have nothing better to do with your life.

[xripkan]

Bitch shut the fuck up and don't miss to take your pills today.

What's next, the Greeks were the first on the moon?

Using your logic than we can say that Pelasgians were the ancestors of the Albanians or Bulgarians as well since they lived on their modern territory as well.

Now start writing 2, pages of nonsense until and so on if you have nothing better to do with your life.

Balkan Neolithic and EBA samples seem different to Minoan samples. And the Phillistine sample I posted above seems as specifically Minoan-like (mostly) + West Asian. They were Eastern Aegean people probably.

[Aspar]

Balkan Neolithic and EBA samples seem different to Minoan samples. And the Phillistine sample I posted above seems as specifically Minoan-like (mostly) + West Asian. They were Eastern Aegean people probably.

Yes because Minoans themselves are not Neolithic like. They shifted in direction to Caucasus and had additional Iran-Neo ancestry compared to Neolithic samples. There goes 10000 years indigenous theory in the bin that wwww spew out of nowhere.
There was a second wave of Anatolian migration to Europe that took place in the Chalcolithic and that gave rise to Minoans.
Still these guys weren't Greeks.
Plus Davidski had the Philistine 068 modeled as Minoans plus something Bellbeaker like.

[wvwvw]

Bitch shut the fuck up and don't miss to take your pills today.

What's next, the Greeks were the first on the moon?

Using your logic than we can say that Pelasgians were the ancestors of the Albanians or Bulgarians as well since they lived on their modern territory as well.

Now start writing 2, pages of nonsense until and so on if you have nothing better to do with your life.

There were no Ancient Albanians and no Ancient Bulgarians back then you dipshit.

The Pelasgians first appear in the historical record being Argive Greeks who spoke Arcado-Cypriot and then moved to Thessaly and Athens as well as founding colonies in Italy at the same time.

Their founder Arcas and his ancestors were the first to build cities in Greece hence the name Pelasgian which mean City Dwellers. The name Architect comes from Arcas.

Coast dwellers were called Aigelean Pelasgi. Aigialos means Coast in Greek.

Greece was originally called Pelasgia according to Herodotus. Therefore not only Hellas (pELASgia) but also Grecia (pERASgia) derived from Pelasgia since in Mycenaean Greek R and L were intercangable. The letter P was suppressed in both cases hence the breathing H and the Greek gamma.

Pelasgian means City Dweller, in the same way that Aigialea means Sea Shore. Aigialean Pelasgi were "City Dwellers of the Sea Shore".

Dionysus of Halicarnassus clearly states that the 
Aboriginals "from whom the Romans are originally descended" were Arcadian 
Pelasgians.

"the Aborigines can be a colony of no other people but of those who are now 
called Arcadians; 2 for these were the first of all the Greeks to cross the 
Ionian Gulf, under the leadership of Oenotrus, the son of Lycaon, and to 
settle in Italy. This Oenotrus was the fifth from Aezeius and Phoroneus, who 
were the first kings in the Peloponnesus. For Niobe was the daughter of 
Phoroneus, and Pelasgus was the son of Niobe and Zeus"

The Pelasgians were a Greek tribe which inhabited Arcadia and Thessaly and obtained their name from their king, Pelasgus, Pelasgus was grandfather of Graecus from whom the name Greeks comes from. Therefore not only were the Pelasgians Greeks, but it is from them that Greeks were called Greeks.

Pelasgos, is said to have built the first city in Greece at Lukosovra, from which the others on the mainland learned how to build cities in the after Thera Eruption era. The Arkadians may therefore have been the first"architects" of Greece (arxi-tekton = Arkas' stonemasons).

When Pelasgus built the first cities in Arkadia he took the name Pelasgus and because they now lived in cities the people became Pelasgians. (City dwellers). Coast dwellers were called Aigialeans.

It took at least 2 generations until the time of Nyctimus for all of Arkadia to be settled and over 50 cities to be built, hence the name Pelasgians or City Dwellers. Pelasgian was the Greek term for city dweller and applied to all city dwellers who were GREEKS.

All the tribes which occupied Greece spoke Greek related dialects since they all knew that Pelas meant City, Gi meant land and Gialon meant Sea and Akri meant Edge since all used combination of these words as their tribal names.

The similarities between the names Hellenes, Enhelenes and Aigaileans and the location of these tribes makes it pretty certain that Hellenes was a corruptiom of the name Aigaileans. The further north you go the more the name is corrupted. The name "Pelasgialeans" was probably the original name of all these tribes.

The Pelasgi were everyone who dwelled in cities. The Hellenes according to Herodotus were nomadic so would not have qualified as Pelasgi except for the Ionians who were the Aigialean Pelasgi.

Anglia and Yalta also derive from Greek Aigialea. Agglia (or Anglia) is the same as the old name for Greece which was "Aigelia". Pella was prior called Aigai= Aigaion = Aigialeon = Pelasgaileon.

The Pelasgians that lived from 1600 to 1500 BC were intermixed with the Cretans but the Pelasgians that came after them were a different civilisation that came from the north. They were still all Greeks since both civilisations used the name Pelasgain to describe themselves as city dwellers. There is also the Greek Danai who returned from Egypt in about 1480 BC who were descended from the Greek Hyksos which is a corruption of Akhaiwoi or Akhiyawa or Ekwesh. This would make the Danai Aigialeans or coastal dwellers descended from Io who was the daughter of Inachus and the sister of Aigialeus.

[Apollodoros M. 11.2,3]
PELASGIANS, was the unitary name which represented the Greek nation as a whole, before the cataclysm of Deukalion & the following division into the known Greek tribes of Danaans, Achaeans, Dorians, Aeolians, Ionians, etc
Pelasgos was the son of Zeus & Niobis, native grandfather of Thessalos, progenitor of the Pelasgians.

Plutarch

"...Pelasgians, a Greek nation which did not came from elsewhere but we were born autochthonous"
(Plutarchos Peri fyges 604D-E,13)

Ovidius (Metamorphoses XII XIII)

"This was the next Greek nation after the Pelasgians to come into Italy and to take up a common residence with the Aborigines, establishing itself in the best part of Rome"

Hectacos: Pelasgos from which Pelasgians derived was GREEK KING FROM THESSALY
Acousilaos: Pelasgos was Greek his father was Lycaon, both of Peloponnesian genealogy
In Prometheus: Pelasgian land means Greek Argos.
Ephoros: Pelasgian simply means prehistoric Greek
Sophoclis: Pelasgian is synonymous to Greek
Thucydidis shares the same general view that Pelasgians are early Greeks
Dionysios Alikarnasseus: The Greek Pelasgians came to Rome