Are (US) Americans the most immature men in the world?

[Incal]

You can't base a view of a country on people you see on internet forums, especially a racialist forum. If you want to talk of man-childs there was a Spanish poster of Catalan background who threatened Loki with a discrimination lawsuit for not being allowed to post here. He made hundreds of accounts (literally he would make a bunch a day hoping one would get passed Loki) for over a year.

Is that not an extreme example of childish behavior? And that's the point: you will get extremes on an internet forum.

When speaking of the 1st world, I'd say American youth are more mature than their Euro counterparts. Many already have part-time jobs when they're 16. Unlike most Euros, American youth are often working while studying at college/university. They take on responsibility.

The issue with men and women is that young men are looking for a good time because they feel they have all the time in the world. Women don't have all the time in the world. As one gf told me once, "I'm not looking just to hang out. I'm looking for a family." Well, I wasn't looking for that. Call me immature... This isn't particular to Americans.

I think in the end it's all related to culture. From your post (and some other from the kiwi) I deduct that work is very connected to maturity on the anglosphere and while I agree to some degree, it's not all where I come from. For example, the attitude you assumed with your ex would be considered maturity here since honesty (whether you say is good or bad) is linked to matureness: somebody who's always lying or making up stories is considered childish and immature around here.

Of course I'm not talking about the most extreme cases who are, in my opinion, mental disorders. I think that catalan was sick instead of immature. Same with the OWD Flip: In the beginning I thought he was immature but seems he got a mental problem instead.

And to finish, I agree that one can't base their opinions just on forum personas (specially this one) but I used to visit the US frequently (not anymore after Covid) and got this feeling when I interacted with people (even older than me), as a matter of fact that's one of the reasons I didn't get a new visa. Then again, it's my perception based on where I come from, probably most americans see themselves as the most mature people on earth since they work and drive at 16.

[Zevoos]

So one's self-worth is based on ethnicity? Self-worth comes from accomplishments.

I didn't say that but it's all related. People with weak roots try harder to prove their self-worth / are status seekers and do so through money and notoriety and people like this are usually newcomers and/or from recently created countries.
You can observe this phenomenon with the more rigid social classes of the new world compared to the more egalitarian old world though it was supposed to be the other way around. Or with immigrants for example, with first generations still retaining part of their home culture acting normal (according to their standards) but homogeneous second generations who are obsessed with fame, money and getting laid regardless of their origins.

US women aren't any more or less materialistic than other women. Naturally, women want men who can earn a good living because that means they can not only financially take care of the children but the children will more likely be competent people if the father is a competent male. The problem is there are many bitter men who can't adequately provide for women and children. The blame for their own incompetence is put on women instead of themselves.

My comment wasn't meant to denigrate American women in particular but to equate them to their male counterparts because until Incal I don't think there is a sex difference regarding Americans' poor character.
I disagree with all women being like you describe, specially in the developed world and among the younger generations. This is another example of what I was talking about because if you tell European women they want a man with a sex figure salary to provide for them they'll laugh at you. This is way more important in the USA.

I get tired of losers whining and trying to find value in everything other than what they have done (which, of course, is rarely anything of note). This is also reflected in how some people perceive the US. I remember an Austrian saying, 'The US doesn't have a history like we do!" It's a cope. They know they don't matter on the world stage and are bitter over it. For better or worse the US is a hard cock, while the Austrians suffer from a flaccid penis. That's not his fault, of course, or that of his nation. There are various reasons why that is the case but pretending you're special in the face of reality ironically hides an inferiority complex.

It's not cope but the truth and honest Americans admit it too. The USA is top in some stuff but sucks in others and there is no shame in saying it.
Believe it or not Austrians don't care about being relevant in the world stage. Yet again another example of the different mentality of status seeking and notoriety addicted Americans compared to their Europeans cousins.

[Jambudvīpa]

I don't have much of a good comparison point, but you're probably right. I went to a school with something like 15% international students, so I met men of all varieties, and I would say that Americans and Indians are equally immature, but all the other nationalities (and boy I met SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE) were vastly superior in their manners. Note, however, that international students pay more tuition and have no access to financial aid, so you can't control out for wealth. The average intl. student is from a far wealthier and more stable upbringing than the average local student, so it could just be a class thing that makes them more mature and better-behaved. However, in individual cases where I could control my peers for childhood income and wealth, the non-Americans were all more mature.

It's absolutely not just men, though, but also women.

I was talking to some intl. folks about how American adolescence looks shorter on paper, since we move out much earlier, but it's actually extended by us being sheltered until 18. An American may face equal levels of parental sheltering from birth to 18, but a European is weaned off of their parent's extreme care and caution at a much earlier age, and can live at home as a functional adult well into their late 20s. For example, an American 5 year old and an American 15 year old have to do the same amount of pandering to their parents preferences, like asking for permission to do just about anything. Many/most young Americans live in unwalkable areas with insufficient public transportation, so they can't have the same physical independence as a European or Asian who can walk around the city with their friends. You rely on your parents for transportation until you can drive, which is often actually older than 16, because many of us buy our own cars. Even kids in highly walkable areas, like city centers or highly condensed rural communities, face the fact that freerange childhood is heavily stigmatized to the point of illegality in some areas. The state can snatch your kid away if the neighbors complain too much of him living outdoors unattended.

Combine this with the overprescription of psychiatric drugs, infantilizing and addictive media, public schools running curriculum years behind the rest of the developed world, broken homes, and epidemic disorganized attachment syndrome, and you have a recipe for a nation of manchildren. Incal, your post really warrants an entire dissertation.

Also, fun fact: I asked my Turkish bf what some popular "kid foods" are in Turkey, and he was confused. I said, "you know, like chicken nuggets or spaghetti." He was so bewildered. "Do parents cook different stuff for the kid? I just ate whatever my parents cooked from the moment I was weaned, and there was nothing to bitch about". The American culture around childhood is as padded and bubble-wrapped as can be. We feed kids nutritionally poor "kid foods" such as cereal, intellectual poor "kid music" and "kid movies" like Cocomelon and Disney, and provide them with "kid experiences" like mashing their hands in a plastic bin of sand or whatever, because we have a cultural obsession with not only "developmentally appropriate" activities, which are often nothing more than the extension of a deficit mindset and the reduction of the child's ability to learn autonomously and think for themselves. It's not going to kill your kid to let him eat a real dinner and listen to real music and go to a real museum. If anything, it will make him smarter and give him a better foundation-- but the American system fears that.

I'm not a parent and I have only minimal experience in childcare, so this is all just my opinion from taking a couple child dev classes and researching the subject for funsies. Toodles!

how exactly are Indians immature?

[Jambudvīpa]

Nathan is being assertive. He's telling you what he doesn't like. If someone does something I don't like, I tell him don't do that. It's not faggotry. It's setting boundaries. I knew a guy who didn't like to be called Tony. He wanted to be called Anthony. I see nothing wrong with that.




You can't base a view of a country on people you see on internet forums, especially a racialist forum. If you want to talk of man-childs there was a Spanish poster of Catalan background who threatened Loki with a discrimination lawsuit for not being allowed to post here. He made hundreds of accounts (literally he would make a bunch a day hoping one would get passed Loki) for over a year.

Is that not an extreme example of childish behavior? And that's the point: you will get extremes on an internet forum.

When speaking of the 1st world, I'd say American youth are more mature than their Euro counterparts. Many already have part-time jobs when they're 16. Unlike most Euros, American youth are often working while studying at college/university. They take on responsibility.

The issue with men and women is that young men are looking for a good time because they feel they have all the time in the world. Women don't have all the time in the world. As one gf told me once, "I'm not looking just to hang out. I'm looking for a family." Well, I wasn't looking for that. Call me immature... This isn't particular to Americans.

Not to mention Europeans have a weird bizarre inferiority complex towards US Americans in particular. For example, Always talking about mass shootings out of nowhere like a way to prove to prove how they are morally superior or something.

[Zevoos]

Not to mention Europeans have a weird bizarre inferiority complex towards US Americans in particular. For example, Always talking about mass shootings out of nowhere like a way to prove to prove how they are morally superior or something.

I'm very jealous because I wish I could go to the supermarket and buy a gun but I would not call that inferiority complex. Americans are far more likely than Europeans to constantly try to prove they're better at everything.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I didn't say that but it's all related. People with weak roots try harder to prove their self-worth / are status seekers and do so through money and notoriety and people like this are usually newcomers and/or from recently created countries.

You are saying self-worth is based on ethnicity. You're claiming that without roots (a connection to their ethnicity) they don't have self-worth and so they need to seek it out through another method. This is retarded. One of the major arguments against immigration is that people do not assimilate into the host country. They form 'nations within a nation.'

You confuse 'rootlessness' with ambition. People with self-worth want better for themselves. I find it odd when people associate self-worth with their ethnicity because it doesn't tell me anything about their abilities.

You can observe this phenomenon with the more rigid social classes of the new world compared to the more egalitarian old world though it was supposed to be the other way around.

Which New World? Latin America isn't the same as the US. Latin America is trapped in its colonial era because of racialism on one side and Leftist policies on the other undermine economic growth (which would allow people to move the socio-economic ladder). In the US, social class is not rigid. If you have talent, you can go far. It's rigid in Western Europe, however. Whether it's the UK or your homeland (Spain, or Portugal; I'm not sure which Iberian country you're from) the chances of moving up are restricted by the ability to accumulate wealth. There is so much government red tape in these nations and taxes that it's insane.

Old Europe is a society where people are mostly stuck in their class. They have a far more difficult time moving up the socio-economic ladder, unlike in the US, or even Latin America. Western Europe is a society where showing initiative is punished.

Or with immigrants for example, with first generations still retaining part of their home culture acting normal (according to their standards) but homogeneous second generations who are obsessed with fame, money and getting laid regardless of their origins.

People must understand that their personal observation (personal bias) is not evidence. So your people (Spaniards or Portuguese) are the exact opposite, correct, then those 2nd generation immigrants? My personal observation is that your statement isn't true. I'll take my personal observation over your personal observation unless you think wanting to be financially successful, as anyone does, means 'obsessed with money.' To me obssed with money means you will behave immorally in your pursuit of money.

My comment wasn't meant to denigrate American women in particular but to equate them to their male counterparts because until Incal I don't think there is a sex difference regarding Americans' poor character. I disagree with all women being like you describe, specially in the developed world and among the younger generations. This is another example of what I was talking about because if you tell European women they want a man with a sex figure salary to provide for them they'll laugh at you. This is way more important in the USA.

It doesn't matter what women say. It matters what they do. However, I'm glad you're familiar with women of all European cultures to come to this conclusion. As we all know, a woman from Russia is culturally similar to a woman in Spain and Portugal and a woman from Sweden is the same as a woman in Italy.

It's not cope but the truth and honest Americans admit it too. The USA is top in some stuff but sucks in others and there is no shame in saying it.

It's a cope. For many people (many of whom are ethnocentric), their nation's lack of relevancy in the world bothers them, and it's proven to them in their media on a daily basis. They spend a great deal of time discussing American news events. They watch American movies. They watch American TV shows. They listen to American music. The political and cultural dominance bothers many of them.

Believe it or not Austrians don't care about being relevant in the world stage.

Well, you're the expert on all things European. I'm speaking from personal experience in that there is a lot of resentment over the US international and cultural influence. The conversation has come up so often that I can't suspect I have a personal bias. I don't control what they say to me.

Yet again another example of the different mentality of status seeking and notoriety addicted Americans compared to their Europeans cousins.

I live in the NYC metro area. We get many Europeans as tourists and as students. Do you think I start a conversation with, 'We're better than you?' They reveal their insecurity to me by trying to place themselves culturally higher than Americans.

By stating that the US is politically and culturally dominant, I'm stating the objective truth. That you concluded an objective truth is an example of 'status-seeking' reveals the weakness of your argument. The statement of a fact is simply a statement of a fact. How you perceive that statement of fact reflects your own issues.

Needless to say you'll misunderstand what is being said as you always do, Gebach. You can't expect someone who thinks they can sue an internet forum to have a triple digit IQ.

It's not status seeking if the successful can point to their success when confronted by an argument (implied and explicit claims of inferioroty) that is objectively false.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Not to mention Europeans have a weird bizarre inferiority complex towards US Americans in particular. For example, Always talking about mass shootings out of nowhere like a way to prove to prove how they are morally superior or something.

I'm very jealous because I wish I could go to the supermarket and buy a gun but I would not call that inferiority complex. Americans are far more likely than Europeans to constantly try to prove they're better at everything.

He missed the point, of course. The reason why Europeans talk about mass shootings ad nauseaum is to prove moral and cultural superiority.

We're savages... They're civilized...

[Tooting Carmen]

Not so much immature as anti-intellectual. Even well-educated and well-travelled Americans would just stare at the Mona Lisa in the Louvre and say things like "cool painting, huh?" In other words, they tend to be more simple-minded and unphilosophical than their counterparts elsewhere often are.

@CFG: That the US (for now) is the world's dominant power economically, culturally and politically is beyond dispute. Whether this necessarily makes it superior and better than the rest of the world on everything is the main point of contention. Also, the gap between rich and poor is indeed wider in the US than in most other developed countries.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I think in the end it's all related to culture. From your post (and some other from the kiwi) I deduct that work is very connected to maturity on the anglosphere and while I agree to some degree, it's not all where I come from. For example, the attitude you assumed with your ex would be considered maturity here since honesty (whether you say is good or bad) is linked to matureness: somebody who's always lying or making up stories is considered childish and immature around here.

Of course I'm not talking about the most extreme cases who are, in my opinion, mental disorders. I think that catalan was sick instead of immature. Same with the OWD Flip: In the beginning I thought he was immature but seems he got a mental problem instead.

And to finish, I agree that one can't base their opinions just on forum personas (specially this one) but I used to visit the US frequently (not anymore after Covid) and got this feeling when I interacted with people (even older than me), as a matter of fact that's one of the reasons I didn't get a new visa. Then again, it's my perception based on where I come from, probably most americans see themselves as the most mature people on earth since they work and drive at 16.

With work comes responsibility and with responsibility comes maturity.

[CordedWhelp]

Not so much immature as anti-intellectual. Even well-educated and well-travelled Americans would just stare at the Mona Lisa in the Louvre and say things like "cool painting, huh?" In other words, they tend to be more simple-minded and unphilosophical than their counterparts elsewhere often are.

@CFG: That the US (for now) is the world's dominant power economically, culturally and politically is beyond dispute. Whether this necessarily makes it superior and better than the rest of the world on everything is the main point of contention. Also, the gap between rich and poor is indeed wider in the US than in most other developed countries.

Where is this coming from?